After the elation of Monday night, the hard bite of reality. Everton have, at times, raised hopes that this season might hold more in store than mere Premier League survival or lower mid-table mediocrity with victories like those over Brighton and Wolves and the improbable win at Old Trafford. But then there are evenings like this where anything much better than treading water for now seems highly unlikely without significant moves in the January transfer window.

For the second time this season, Everton came up against a side at Bramley-Moore Dock with aerial prowess, either directly from set-pieces where Tottenham were so devastating in late October or from the second phase, and buckled in harrowing fashion. Coupled with a porous midfield and an opposition that sensed blood the moment they roared into a first-minute lead, the die was cast for the new stadium’s worst night yet.

Jordan Pickford’s weaknesses were ruthlessly exposed in tandem with the Blues’ new-found susceptibility from corners while Tim Iroegbunam’s suitability as a starting central midfielder at this level was once again brought into serious question.

Everton’s mid-section has frequently left cavernous spaces in front of its back four even when Idrissa Gueye was in the side but the Senegalese’s three-match suspension felt highly costly as Newcastle poured through, at times apparently at will, especially in the first half.

That Everton only shipped four goals against a team that hadn't won away from home since April is a little surprising in retrospect because the Barcodes were rampant at times. That the Blues only scored one themselves — a quite brilliant effort from Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall, alongside Iliman Ndiaye perhaps the only player to come out with any real credit this time around — was also harsh because David Moyes’s men played some decent football at times; they just lacked cutting edge up top.

Thierno Barry broke his long scoring duck and then didn’t as Video Assistant Referee, Darren England, ruled he had handled the ball before finding the net for the first time as a Blue; Michael Keane might have scored were it not for a heavy deflection; and Carlos Alcaraz almost knocked the South Stand goal over with a thunderous drive after a clear handball on the line by Harvey Barnes was missed by all the officials (including the one with all the slow-motion replays at his disposal).

Had any of those incidents led to goals, it might have led to an exciting conclusion but it would also have papered over some serious cracks — in the club’s recruitment strategy, the painful lack of quality at full-back, and the way the manager sets out his team, particularly as it pertains to a lack of compactness in the midfield.

With Gueye banned until the 13th of December (by which point he might be on the way to join up with Senegal’s Africa Cup of Nations squad anyway) and Seamus Coleman nursing a hamstring problem, Moyes made obvious switches that saw Jake O’Brien come in at right-back and Iroegbunam into centre-midfield alongside James Garner.

Everything else was unchanged but whereas disaster took 13 minutes to strike against Manchester United five days ago, this time it took less than a minute. From their own kick-off, Everton somehow found themselves short-handed in their own half as Anthony Elanga galloped into space and drew a one-handed save from Jordan Pickford.

Just like against Tottenham, the Blues miserably failed to deal with the wickedly in-swinging corner. Garner appeared to have been charged with blocking the run of Malick Thiaw but lost him completely and the defender glanced home from close range with Jordan Pickford rooted to his line.

1-0 was almost 2-0 to the visitors before nine minutes had elapsed when Barnes was played in down the Magpies’ left but Keane did superbly to get enough purchase on his block to deflect what had been a goal-bound effort wide for a corner.

On either side of that chance, the hosts looked to be making a decent fist of trying to make amends for their terrible start. They moved the ball around with the most consistency of assurance and accuracy than perhaps at any time so far this season but they weren’t ever able to really trouble Aaron Ramsdale in the Newcastle at all.

Dan Burn made sure of that in the 11th minute then he got his body in the way of Keane’s sweetly-struck half-volley from the edge of the box and Barry could only head the resulting set-piece over the bar. A couple of minutes after that, Jack Grealish arrived on the overlap down the Toffees’ left flank and laid a delayed ball back to Dewsbury-Hall but the former Chelsea man’s shot was blocked and Garner’s miscued follow-up shot flew wide.

And Burn was in the right place again in the 17th minute when a lovely reverse pass by Grealish put Dewsbury-Hall in but his effort was cut out once more before it could threaten Ramsdale’s goal.

All that work to get back on even keel was undone, however, midway through the first period, starting when O’Brien was panicked into hacking the ball behind when he received no call from Jordan Pickford before looking imploringly at his goalkeeper.

The resulting Newcastle corner wasn’t properly cleared allowing the Magpies to retain the ball, Tino Livramento miscued horribly towards the corner flag but his shot was intercepted by Burn and when the ball fell to Lewis Miley, he bounced an effort towards goal that Pickford, unsighted once more by James Tarkowski’s deep positioning, flapped at horribly and it flew through his legs and in.

As Everton’s attacks consistently broke down in the final third, the most promising foundered when Barry tripped over an attempted through-ball by KDH, Newcastle came close to making it 3-0 on the half hour when Lewis Hall’s drive deflected off Keane’s out-stretched leg and looped onto the top of Pickford’s crossbar.

The inevitable was delayed by only a further quarter of an hour, though. Iroegbunam badly misjudged a ball down the channel that allowed Elanga to step inside him and prod a square pass to Nick Woltemade in oceans of space behind Everton’s absent centre-backs. The German still had plenty to do but he simply scooped the ball over Pickford with a deft chip that Garner couldn’t keep out despite his best efforts.

Needing to do something, Moyes withdrew the hapless Iroegbunam at the break and replaced him with Alcaraz. The change didn’t visibly address the big gaps in midfield as Dewsbury-Hall remained in a fairly advanced role but the Blues came very close to getting a foothold back in the contest in the first eight minutes of the restart.

First, Barry was played in for a rare, presentable chance but he stumbled under pressure from his marker and his eventual shot was too tame. Then, after Grealish had won a corner that Garner whipped in to the centre of the goal and nearly caught out Ramsdale, what looked to have been a punch by the keeper (later shown by replays to have been Barnes’s arm instead) sat up perfectly for Alcaraz. Unfortunately, the Argentine’s thumping effort crashed off the bar and away.

Not long after that, though, it was game over. Hall lofted a ball over the top for Barnes but Pickford did brilliantly to deny the winger with his feet. However, that led to another corner that wasn’t cleared, Tarkowski blocked Woltemade’s shot on the line and when Everton still could’t get the ball away, it was crossed back in by Hall where Thiaw powered a header back across goal and into the far corner with Pickford in no man’s land once more.

From then on it was really an exercise in damage limitation but Eddie Howe’s side were effectively done by this point and it became more about salvaging some pride for Moyes’s rabble. Barry rose with Burn to meet Vitalii Mykolenko’s cross and when he got enough on the ball for it to drop in front of him, he shinned a spinning shot into the corner of the goal. Sadly, the Frenchman’s glee at finally scoring in the Premier League was short-lived. VAR England had seen him head clumsily into his own arm before finding the net.

With 20 minutes to go, Everton did eventually get some consolation with an excellent goal by Dewsbury-Hall. He pulled Tarkowski’s flighted ball down with an exquisite first touch and took one more before stroking it past Ramsdale. It was a piece of magic deserving of winning a game, not simply making an ugly scoreline look a touch more respectable.

Pickford was called into action one more time to foil Jacob Ramsey and Dewsbury-Hall despatched a shot that narrowly cleared the crossbar after terrific work by substitute Tyler Dibling but the majority of the home crowd had long since dispersed.

If the unlikely win at Old Trafford had hinted at being some sort of watershed result that might drive Everton on to a push for Europe, this chastening contest will have put such fanciful notions to bed for the time being. This was a game that painfully exposed the lack of depth in Moyes’s squad in key areas.

Unless or until those are addressed, this is likely to be the season of consolidation it was expected to be at the outset. It’s frustrating given the upgrade in quality that Grealish and Dewsbury-Hall in particular represent but a good deal more patience is going to be required until more players of their calibre can be brought in.



Reader Responses

Selected thoughts from readers
Certain off-topic comments may be removed to keep the discussion on track

1  Jack Convery
30/11/2025    05:37:17

I can't wait for Andy on the Podcast.

We need a new motto - my choice would be: Omnis spes stultorum aurum est

2  Paul Conway
30/11/2025    06:11:20

Jack
I think we need new players!
Dear Santa….

3  Paul Ferry
30/11/2025    07:07:30

Loving the Latin.Very Lyndon.

Quaeso possumus habere novum invasorem et ius retro mense Ianuario oro. Posset Jack grealis virga placere.

4  Lee Courtliff
30/11/2025    07:38:36

It was shocking, yet almost predictable...Everton,that.

We were so strong against United and so weak and feeble yesterday that it looked like a different team.

As for Iroegbunam, at times I think he looks like a decent squad player for us, but when he starts games he looks like a Championship player. A very strange season he's having.

We knew Newcastle hadn't won away all season, we knew we're the Club you want to face when on such a bad run...so we shouldn't be all that surprised by the defeat but its the performance that really galls me!!

The game was over before it really began. Anyway, we'll beat Bournemouth on Tuesday with a gritty performance.

COYB.

5  Mike Hayes
30/11/2025    08:21:39

Another mad performance by the blues, should have played Alcaraz from the off see if he could have linked up with Barry like he’s done with Beto in the past. We are going to need a few players in January and who’s to cover those off to AFCON next month? Let’s see how they cope with Bournemouth on Tuesday.

On a side note is there no pre match build up or live forum or would that be cloning the now terrible Toffeeweb?

6  Peter Mills
30/11/2025    08:25:09

Newcastle outplayed us with very simple football, exploiting the huge spaces in midfield by passing the ball in triangles. It was chapter 1 in the football manual stuff.

Most of the time there was only James Garner trying to hold the fort. Grealish and Ndiaye were out wide, Dewsbury-Hall stayed up front with them in the main, while Iroegbunam plodded around wherever he fancied, mostly wherever the ball was not present.

Combine that with a deep lying defence, and Pickford having one of his Newcastle games, and it was a horror show.

The lack of quality and depth in our squad was exposed once again.

Many of us speculated pre-season about how grim it would be shuffling away from the ground along the Dock Road on a cold, wet night after being hammered. Well, it’s very unpleasant.

7  David Bromwell
30/11/2025    08:53:29

What a sad evening and what a poor showing from the Blues who were comprehensively outplayed throughout the match. Surely there can be no further debate now, and if loan agreement terms allow, young Armstrong has to be recalled from Preston. This would at least give David Moyes another option in midfield which was almost none existent last night.

Sadly as Lyndon has reported earlier, Newcastle simply exposed all our flaws which sometimes we choose to forget, but with no other options for the Manager we will continue to be vulnerable. Clearly we now have some quality players, who are a joy to watch but with a porous midfield, susceptibility to crosses into the box and the absence of at least one regular goal scorer the immediate future looks bleak.

On Monday we saw a great, backs to the wall display from our Boys, but we were helped considerably by a poor showing from United. Sadly last night we were comprehensively outplayed by a better team and until the Manager has more players at his disposal this is likely to happen.

8  Paul Tran
30/11/2025    10:13:44

An interesting, painful watch. Newcastle have much that we'd like to see in our team; pacy full backs that can defend and go up the flanks with pace, a strong, purposeful centre midfield (even with Tonali on the bench!) and a striker who can hold up the ball, bring in team-mates, and score goals.

Put all that together with the fact that our defence and midfield largely went missing, and it's no surprise we lost.

Moyes' comments to that effect after the match were, unfortunately, bang on the money. And, no doubt, a message to the Friedkins.

We're all paying for the club's recent reluctance to buy physically strong, pacy, purposeful players. That's what must change.

9  Lynn Maher
30/11/2025    11:03:20

Felt quite calm about the game as we approached the ground yesterday. Probably due to the fantastic result on Monday night.

As we walked in, the amazing Christmas tree on the plaza was spectacular.

Eventually went to our seats, and the rest is history!
Even after the first goal I wasn't particularly concerned. We still had 80+ minutes to pull this back. But even after decent spells in their box first half,it was to no avail.

Whatever was said in the dressing room at halftime, seemed to make things worse. Not many covered themselves in glory last night. Well not Everton players anyway.

Immensely disappointing performance, but we go again.

10  Jeff Armstrong
30/11/2025    11:36:04

Squad is down to it’s bare bones, just 15 players now who could be counted as available, Ndiaye to go to Afcon soon, he’s got to bring Armstrong back if possible and at least 3 more signings.
I’ll wager he starts unchanged against Bournemouth, don’t think he’s got the bottle to start Alcaraz before Irogbunem.

11  Peter Hodgson
30/11/2025    11:40:31

What a horrible performance. Pickford or the Defence (you choose either or both, its up to you). For me both in equal quantities. I just hope it isn't a forerunner of what we are going to churn out during the Afcon period.

We are not that bad are we? Work to do before Tuesday me thinks or more of the horrible same to endure unfortunately.

12  Paul Conway
30/11/2025    12:50:03

Jeff # 10

at this stage Alcaraz for Irogbunham, is as much a conundrum as Beto for Barry, or vice versa.

It’s just a question of hoping that either is going to hit their one good game in six, or seven form

And therein lies the problem.. we have no consistency.

Good players are consistent.. bad players are inconsistent.

And let’s not forget, that we have still the mouth watering prospect of McNeil to come off the Bench. And Patterson to come back from injury.

13  Jerome Shields
30/11/2025    12:57:11

I thought it was the typical Moyes pattern of two results and a loss.A game that could progress Everton up the table was always Moyes's Achilles heal.

Everton defending of a set pieces was woeful.Aka Spurs

Newcastle played as a compact unit attacking and defending.Everton did leave space and gaps.The defence lagged deep of midfield as usual and Moyes had not got a clue how to change that and did not seem to understand the need for compactness.For a Premier League team to play like that is a disgrace and they deservably paid for it.

There no way that Everton will progress with Moyes beyond mid table and dicing with a relegation dogfight.

14  Paul Birmingham
30/11/2025    13:17:28

Uppers and downers, so far this season.

The Toon in view of their Euro match came out chomping at the bit, and went for it.

It was Spurs mk2, and with unforced errors, it was Chrimbo, arriving early for them.

For me its highlighted a defence that was out of tune and exposed on every press by a midfield of Jimmy, trying to cover every yard of grass. Gana was badly missed.

The only positives for me are Moyses, will see the scale of the rebuild and until the RB, LB, CF, as priority are fixed it will be a stop start season.

There were occasions, when Everton, looked very fluid in attack but the killer pass and instinct wasnt there when it mattered.

Great goal by K D H, sone good saves by JP, to save the further woes.

Everton will regroip for a very tough run of fixtures, and must stop the unforced errors and sort out the communications and formation in defense.

Too many repeat miss takes, and Teams, are playing the percentage pass and getting easy goals.

But time to get the spirit and belief ready for Bournemouth.

15  John Raftery
30/11/2025    13:21:19

The bloke behind me muttered ‘After the Lord Mayor’s Show…’ as the half-time whistle blew. It was very much so but even worse than I suspected it might be going into the game. As regards the performance I can add very little to Lyndon’s report and the many accurate comments above other than to say at 4-0 down with more than half an hour left I was fearful of a record defeat.

Thankfully that was avoided, mainly owing to Newcastle’s declaration but in small part also owing to our players showing some creditable resilience in front of rows upon rows of empty seats. Knowing the fans have deserted the cause certainly places an additional toll on players and makes any fight-back even less likely.

Indeed it was alarming to see so many leave the stadium with more than half an hour to go. It was no surprise to see the prawn sandwich brigade (or should it be the Patatas Bravas patrons?) in the West Stand not troubling themselves by returning to their seats after the interval.

It was more disappointing to see the Lower South Stand empty so quickly. Supposedly the occupants in that area are our most vocal supporters. With ten minutes to go it was possible to count them in their very few hundreds. We are a long way from fulfilling the vision of a blue wall of loyal, fanatical support. It’s more like the South Stand Softies.

As for the Lower North Stand where I sit, there are significant groups of fans who arrive several minutes after kick-off, invariably leave their seats five minutes before the interval, return to their seats several minutes after the restart and depart several minutes before the end of regulation time. That’s not counting the times they are up and down to go to the toilet. I wonder sometimes why they bother going to their seat at all when they can watch the televised action while drinking in the concourse. Apart from being a real nuisance with their comings and goings the empty seats detract from the atmosphere and feel of the stadium, even when we are winning. Predictably yesterday evening they were well gone by the hour mark. Good riddance.

As I understand the position with Armstrong is that he can be recalled in January. Reading between Moyes’s lines at Friday’s media conference it seems that he would prefer not to have to do that. Unless however Merlin Röhl can get himself fit and prove he can cope with the pace and physicality of the Premier League, the manager’s hand may be forced.

16  John Fitzgerald
30/11/2025    14:31:57

As much as I was dead set against the thought of him joining us in the summer, but watching us struggle against a mobile, strenuous Newcastle midfield yesterday, I couldn’t help but think we could’ve done with someone like Sean Longstaff in midfield. He’s been in fine form for Leeds - an old-fashioned, PL-experienced gritty midfield destroyer with some skills on the side. He’d be handy defending set pieces too. Maybe not a Friedkin type of player for the future, but definitely one for 29th Nov 2025.

17  tom BOWERS
30/11/2025    15:16:28

It's hard to fathom what we witnessed yesterday. Everton came out cold and it stayed that way. This is what we witnessed many times in the past with Moyes at the helm. Somehow he fails to motivate the team to maintain momentum after one or two successive good results.

Everton have enough aerial prowess of their own and shouldn't have been caught napping like they were against Spurs and Newcastle by their central defenders.

The need to address this situation is paramount and it may take another change at the helm before this season is over.

We have some players who have yet to show their best like Rohl, Dibling, Irregboehn and Barry but it may not happen. We can only hope they progress.

A great day at Old Trafford was marred by yesterday's debacle and you wonder where do we go from here.

18  Frank Sheppard
30/11/2025    16:06:59

A performance that was nowhere near good enough- surprisingly porous at the back, and predictable and slow when trying to attack.
However, on the bright side, 6 points from 3 games.

19  Harry Hockley
30/11/2025    16:48:49

Typical Everton,

Just when you think you have e turned a corner,
I was in heaven on after Monday’s heroics only to come back down to earth with a crashing bang last night.

“Iron Tim” as many like to call Iroegbunam, not sure why as I prefer Tim nice but dim after last nights abysmal showing.
He can’t possibly start another game,
O’Brien can’t play RB to save his life and hopefully Garner will slot in if Coleman isn’t back anytime soon.

On the whole, a bad day at the office, we seem to play better on the back foot as counter productive as that may sound we just can’t match teams possession wise and we get picked apart, especially by strong, athletic pacy teams..everything we’re not unfortunately.

Can’t blame Moyes in being confident trying to match Newcastle but there midfield was way too strong and technical.

On to the next one.

20  Jerome Shields
30/11/2025    16:53:29

The errors are forced by over exposure. The midfield and defence might as well be on different pitches such is the arrangement of cover, marking and tracking back.

Newcastle did their Analysis (like Spurs) practised their plan all week, turned up and actioned it without any resistance and with no meaningful change by Moyes to rectify the situation.

21  David Lynch
30/11/2025    16:54:58

Imo this is moyes achillies heel.

He was the same in his first tenure, he can't get it across the line, I know we have no strike force but ffs his inplay management is woeful.

A point on Pickford...when he's protected he's brilliant, one of the best shot stoppers in the game tbf but his lack of physicality and height at times makes him a liability.

He saved us many times in the past and for that I'm grateful, still though, I would have preferred to have gone after Kelleher, a divisive opinion I know, but it is mine.

22  Jack Convery
30/11/2025    17:49:33

I hope no one minds this post. RIP BILLY BONDS. A real football legend. He embodied everything a footballer should be for us fans of the game.

As for yesterday. Typical EFC. Taking our hope and drowning it in the Mersey. Everton that.

23  Jeff Armstrong
30/11/2025    18:33:17

Got to agree with John at 16, the new stadium is beginning to grate with me too, people leaving their seats on mass at 35 minutes every game before HT, returning 10 minutes after HT and leaving altogether at 75 minutes.

Yesterday when the fourth went in, it was a mass exodus at 60 minutes, it’s like we’ve not just got a new stadium, but a new crowd too, some people are leaving their seats and watching about 60 minutes football, even when we’re winning,

yesterday I reckon some only watched about 40 minutes before giving it up and buggering off.

24  Paul Ferry
30/11/2025    19:54:32

John R and jeff A, I got slapped on the live forum yesterday for saying that the large number of empties - especially in the North Stand - was 'embarrassing'. And that was not the first time I've commented on empties there, but yesterday was a different scale.

I could well be wrong, just a hunch, but these big new stadiums - Arsenal, City, Spuds etc. - all seem to have issues with 'fans' getting back to their seats or leaving their seats, or just leaving altogether (hanging around in concourses enjoying the yummy new Xmas menu?).

I'm dying to know, did anybody try the brand new Triple Loaded Sausage Roll, Giant Pig in Blanket "Dog", or the Pigs in Blanket Loaded Rosti Bites. I'm particularly excited about the Pigs in Blanket Loaded Rosti Bites.

25  Jerome Shields
30/11/2025    20:01:53

David#21

That is his Achilles heal.You get maybe two results because of effort and a galvanised performance, but when you come to that third game, the one that Everton is challenging getting up the table you get your can't get it across the line performance ',for exactly the reasons you have given.

26  Jerome Shields
30/11/2025    20:01:53

David#21

That is his Achilles heal.You get maybe two results because of effort and a galvanised performance, but when you come to that third game, the one that Everton is challenging getting up the table you get your can't get it across the line performance ',for exactly the reasons you have given.

27  Mike Gaynes
30/11/2025    21:11:18

KDH had another brilliant performance, but as Lyndon says, this season of "consolidation" was never going to be much of an upward climb. This was a big step back after the glory of OT.

I'm beginning to seriously doubt Iroegbunam's future. So skilled, so strong and willing, and so hopelessly unable to learn his position. He's constantly caught on the wrong side of his man, the wrong side of the ball, the wrong side of the pitch. He knows only what's happening where he's looking and nothing of what goes on behind him, particularly opponents running off his back shoulder. There's been no improvement in his nous, and I'm wondering if a player I'd considered a bright part of our future may just never get there.

28  Jeff Armstrong
30/11/2025    21:59:10

Paul 24, there’s always been mass exodus’s when we’re getting beat 3,4-0 with 15-20 minutes to go, that’s happened forever, but what’s happening now is some people are not watching the game anymore, they’re constantly leaving their seats, whether it’s to join queues for food, drink, toilets, buses trying to beat traffic, whatever, it’s ridiculous.

Admittedly the footie on offer isn’t always keeping you glued but it was like that at Goodison and I didn’t notice the people moving around from 35 minutes until 75 with a constant stream of movement, maybe them triple loaded pigs in blanket dogs are too good to be sitting inside the stadium watching what you paid/came for and you need parting from your 15 quid of hard earned to raise your cholesterol to astronomical levels!

29  John Raftery
30/11/2025    23:31:34

Mike (27) I share your concerns about Tim. Having impressed in some of his recent cameo appearances and for an hour against Fulham he had encouraged me to believe he was on an upward trajectory. Admittedly yesterday he was facing top class midfielders but he looked totally lost.

Apart from his game intelligence being well short of the standard required, at 22 years of age he appears to be short of stamina, unable to cope with the repeated sprints which we take for granted from 36 year old Gana Gueye.

On the evidence of yesterday Tim looks like a player who now needs more minutes on the pitch in order to learn his trade and become used to the physical demands of playing a full game every week. Twelve starts and twenty one substitute appearances in all competitions since the beginning of last season have clearly not been enough to enable him get into the groove of regular first team football.

If we had been blessed with a larger squad he would have been an obvious candidate for a loan. There might be a case in January for swapping Tim for Harrison Armstrong who at 18 seems to possess the greater maturity and has the benefit of recent experience of the twice weekly grind of Championship football with Preston.

30  John Raftery
30/11/2025    00:00:07

Paul (24) I think your hunch in your second paragraph is spot on. The increased numbers have drawn in a larger proportion of soft core supporters, for whom watching the match interferes with their day out. Attention spans have reduced while the intake of food and drink required during a two hour period seems to have increased.

I confess I have yet to try any of the exciting, and at about £1.00 per bite, fairly expensive food options. I normally eat at home before leaving for the Hill Dickinson. It’s different for away matches but even then a humble meat and potato pie is more than adequate.

31  Paul Ferry
01/12/2025    01:31:57

15 quid Jeff! TFG enterprises squeezing the money out of us. John R I do agree about Armstrong and I believe that we can bring him back in January when, with AFCON, we could do with an extra hand in the middle. I've only watched the highlights of Preston's games but he looks impressive and the Preston crowd like him.

Forgot to mention the London Stadium in that list of grounds and it might well be the worst example. So, all of a sudden, the pearly hammers move from 35016 Upton Park or Boleyn or whatever to the 62500 London Stadium. They found 27000 more dyed-in-the-wool West Ham till I die hammers fans! Sells out for most games. What were those 27000 doing before the new stadium?

32  Christine Foster
01/12/2025    04:25:33

The reality of an Everton resurgence was laid bare, those embers of hope that flickered in Manchester were extinguished within 60 seconds as Newcastle cruelly exposed our short comings, and they are massive. A make shift back four, none of whom are good enough, a central midfield that depends on a 36 year old to do the business and two centre forwards who are an embarrassment to Everton Football club.
It laid bare just how far we had fallen in terms of player quality and how lucky we are still to be in the Premier league. Indeed, consolidation is the reality, on good days against average teams we will do ok, because that's where we are. On other days it will be a painful watch.
This was why David Moyes got the extended gig. Consolidation with minimal expenditure, gradual improvement not radical leaps. Pragmatism is the reality, expectations limited by investment in both team and manager. Slowly, slowly
I had hoped.. stupid me..

33  Rob Dolby
01/12/2025    09:52:41

I think sometimes you have to hold your hands up and say we were well beaten by the better side.

Newcastle got off to a dream start and then hit us on the break with individual mistakes costing us.

Pickford and Tim the main culprits.

Their keeper was never tested. A clear handball from Barnes on the line didn't even go to var but Barry's did.

I am not sure if Moyes will make changes for tomorrow's game. In the prem a lot of mistakes get punished and we made a load of them on Saturday.

The empty seats are starting to annoy me. They are all over the ground and at £60 a ticket will price locals out of the game.

34  Antony Abrahams
01/12/2025    09:58:35

Each to his own with regards footballers and our opinions but the EPL, is a brutal physical stage and from what I have seen of Tim, he’s shown me that he his no more than a thirty minutes at best player, so far. (I never watched the Fulham game, John)

He looks like a decent enough footballer, but my own opinion is that when a midfielder is often getting caught on the wrong side, it’s usually because he hasn’t quite adapted to the speed of the game?

We weren’t helped with conceding so early on Saturday, but an even bigger concern was that from the moment the Newcastle winger, ran in behind in the first minute, our defenders knew they never quite had enough pace to play on the front foot, and for whatever reason (isn’t this why you have managers and coaching staff?) the middle of the pitch suddenly became too big for us.

I thought we recovered okay and played a bit of decent football, until we conceded again, but amongst other things the difference in tempo between the two teams, was massive.

35  Jeff Armstrong
01/12/2025    10:17:34

Good assessment that Tony, Tim has been decent coming off the bench, against Palace for instance he had the full second half and even won the penalty, when he starts he looks completely lost in both stamina and positional awareness.
Again I agree we did have pockets of decent play and the difference were individual mistakes,Pickford played well in Manchester,but not so well on Saturday, that’s the margins.
I hope he tweaks the team for tomorrow but it’s a really thin squad and I’m not sure Dibling, Alcaraz or McNeil will make a big difference, our defending of set pieces needs serious work, quickly too.
On a side note did anyone see Chelsea defend corners against the best set piece team in the league? They left 3 upfield and de-cluttered the penalty area, and they were down to 10 men!
Just a thought Davey.

36  Steve Hogan
01/12/2025    11:23:42

Iroegbun is built like a middleweight boxer, but performs more like Wayne Sleep. He was gently nudged off the ball by Elanga for the third goal, and was quite frankly awful for the time he spent on the pitch.

His confidence looks shot, and he never once made himself available for the ball, making safe 6 yard wall passes the whole of the first half.

Given his time at Villa, and the fact he's not a kid anymore, I honestly don't think he's capable of improving much more.

The PSR inspired transfer between Everton and Villa was a method of both teams moving on player's they felt didn't have a real future at their respective clubs.

He will at some stage move on, to a league he feels more comfortable with. Not in the Premiership.

37  Kevin Molloy
01/12/2025    12:42:09

that' was a sobering game, especially when put next to the spurs game. If this team isn't fully on it, it can get whacked. It was also suddenly apparent that if the wind changes even slightly (a couple of injuries) we've got nothing on the bench. So we suddenly look threadbare, going into the mad December rush. And that's before we lose our Senegalese for six weeks. And the games we've got are all against very good sides.
It's that first goal which is so crucial, and to concede from another effing corner after the warnings we got at spurs is shocking. You just don't know from one game to the next what is going to happen with Everton.
Still, it was nice to see the new stadium. What a beauty. What an advert for our club. It's not just the stadium, even more impressive if that's possible, is the long walk up. Past these magnificent Dock Walls, with their huge stone gateposts. You just think, kin hell, we were a serious country once. It's just the size of it all. Now, we struggle to build a bus depot. It's like being taken to the Planet of the Giants, and having a look around. One thing is for certain, Everton's future as a top level club is assured.

38  Jeff Armstrong
01/12/2025    13:29:24

Given that Gana finishes his ban this coming Saturday, I wonder if he’ll be available for Chelsea away 13th December, Senegal’s first Afcon game is 23rd December.

39  Andrew McGuffog
01/12/2025    13:29:51

I would agree with Jeff regarding corners. Back in the days of Tim Howard, who always had problems with crowded penalty areas, I advocated leaving 2 players up field. Opposition teams would have to leave 3 defenders back, meaning they could only have 6 attackers at maximum pressuring the goalie. It would also mean less chance of the ball coming straight back if and when we cleared it, a perennial problem for Everton. There, I'm a tactical genius.

40  Dennis Stevens
01/12/2025    13:59:28

Perhaps, in desperation, Moyes may give Tim a go in the unresolvable right back slot - could be like a new signing!

41  Antony Abrahams
01/12/2025    14:01:48

Two things struck me the most on Saturday night.

The first was how their right back, just nonchalantly took up an inside right position, without a care in the world about getting back and worrying about his defensive duties, but when Newcastle, were on the attack, our only centre forward, often finds himself coming into a defensive position, thirty yards from his own goal.

I got fed up shouting - “fuck off Barry” for a different reason than most, but such is the rigidity of our system, then I’ll be inside the stadium, shouting it again next Saturday, I’m sure.

42  David Bromwell
01/12/2025    16:21:18

Andrew 39 and Dennis 40, yes and yes, two very good ideas. I see no real value of some of our smaller players, packing our penalty area, against 2 metre plus attackers, they provide little or no defence. And it would certainly be worth giving Tim ago at right back. He can look ok in midfield but I don't think I have seen him play well there for the full 90 minutes. How do we pass your ideas onto D.M. ?

And Anthony 41, sadly young Barry is having to learn how to play in front of our eyes, he is making progress all be it slowly and we don't really have any alternative.

43  Peter Mills
01/12/2025    16:31:52

They have sold us the dream of buying drinks and food and consuming the same while watching the game on a screen on a concourse.

I’ve never done any of those things, and I don’t envisage myself starting.

They have also ensured us (the males, at least) spending maximum time below stairs by installing a minimal number of urinals. I took my opportunity to nip down just as Newcastle’s third bobbled into the net, and made my way back to my seat just as the teams were coming out for the second half.

It’s a great stadium, we are very fortunate to have it, but it needs a few tweaks.

44  Antony Abrahams
01/12/2025    16:33:16

That’s why I’m not cursing him when he gets things wrong David. I’m cursing the tactics, eleven men, thirty meters or less from our goal, which often means we are playing without any kind of outlet, whatsoever.

45  Ken Kneale
01/12/2025    18:36:19

We played some minutes of decent football but the majority but the quicker moves had little penetration and the slow moves look doomed to break down - we are desperately one paced as a team from front to back - no full back advantage unlike Newcastle and a young man doing his best up front, but as others have said, learning his game.

I fear unless the manager becomes a bit more inventive with tactics, substitutions and in-game management (unlikely on past DNA) that FA cup run we all dream of is over by January. He has reverted totally to the DM we all remember (in my case not over fondly).

46  Duncan McDine
01/12/2025    20:24:06

It was a very bad day at the office, but 4-1 flattered Newcastle who were solid but not spectacular. They certainly deserved the win, but it didn't feel like a mauling. I share the concerns about central midfield and right back (along with CF of course). Harry (19) suggested that Tim Iro shouldn't start another match and that Garner should play RB... who does that leave to play in the 2 CM positions? Gana is suspended for another couple of games don't forget. All we can do is hope for a better team performance tomorrow. I've managed to get a ticket which I was more excited about just a few days ago!

47  Darren Hind
02/12/2025    07:03:13

I felt an unease from the off here. They looked physically stronger all over the pitch and I'd have snatched your hand off for a draw long before the second goal went in.

I was reminded of the time when we had a group of smashing little players like. Osman, Pienaar, Cahill and Arteta. They didnt just match teams outside the top four, they would better them. It was only when we came up against the likes of Viera, Petit, Keane, Gerrard that our lack of real muscle was exposed. These athletes were always able to power through us.

Skill alone used to be enough. Not anymore. Without the athleticism to go with it, you're always going to be up against it when you face the powerhouses. I was alarmed at the ease with which the Newcastle players we able to bully ours. Talk about men against boys. Poor old Tim Iroegbunam looked like a schoolboy repeated being dismissed by athletes who were bigger, faster and stronger. He wasnt alone.

At the risk of being called a "hater" by idiots. I feel James Tarkowski once again singled himself out for individual mention. Yes others could be blamed for goals conceded, but fuck me. How many Weston's does Tarkowski need to have before he is taken out of the team ? He runs under the ball for the first goal (How many times has that happened ?). He retreats to the point of standing on Pickford's toes for the second (Again. How many times has this happened ?) and you would have needed the aid of sniffer dogs to have tracked him down as the fella he was supposed to be marking strode through the middle unchallenged to score the 3rd.

Great servant he might have been, but past performances count for less than nothing on nights like this. The sight of him trundling back from fuck knows where, blowing out of his arse as the big German effectively ended the match as a contest, just about summed the entire night up for me. I've said it all season. You cannot keep playing a central defender in this sort of form and hope to keep getting away with it.

48  John Fitzgerald
02/12/2025    12:01:17

Wouldn’t mind seeing Moyes drop Barry for tonight and play Dibling Alcaraz and Ndiaye upfront just for shits and giggles. Bournemouth away feels like a goal for Alcaraz.
But it ain’t going to happen so…

49  Paul Conway
02/12/2025    14:05:45

Darren # 47

I totally agree about Tarkowski, he’s an absolute walking disaster.

And regarding slagging off our own players :

We as supporters of this Club, have every right to Criticise a player.. they take the accolades when they play well, so they can take the Criticism.

I treat Everton as a Family.

you can criticise your Family members and in turn be Criticised by them.. but, you wouldn’t hear Criticism about them from outsiders … the same goes for my Club.

Every one of our defenders has a mistake, or mistakes in their locker.

so, between all four on the pitch, the chances of a mistake is multiplied by four.. for myself anyway.

The latest from O’Brien on the OS is priceless :

«  I think it’s important that we sweep, ( The Newcastle defeat ) under the carpet, learn from our mistakes and go again Tuesday because it’s a big game! »

«  there’s a lot of games coming up and it’s important that we come away with some points.

«  One of the positive things is game’s coming very fast, so I think it’s something we’ve got to look forward to. We’ve got to try and be positive ( and try) to put things right come Tuesday. »

Now, Why do I get the feeling that he’s pissing down my back and telling me it’s raining ?

As most Managers, or Coaches would be moaning about games coming thick and fast.. especially with a depleted squad with square pegs in round holes !!!

What next?… Santa is a Red!… leave it out!

50  Jay Harris
02/12/2025    16:13:14

It's not just Tarks, the whole back 4 and Picks can't handle players running at them with pace and with no Gana sitting in front of them slowing the opponents down we were always in for a tonking. It also didn't help that Bambi could not bully the Newcastle defense or hold the ball up so we were constantly chasing the second balls.

Add to that there was no energy throughout our ranks. We seemed to have no appetite for the game.

I was interested to observe Keane and Picks looking extremely anxious in the tunnel before the game and Moyes came out with a face like thunder looking like he had just had a major row with someone. don't know what to read into it but something was definitely not right.

51  Andrew Ellams
02/12/2025    16:40:54

Jeff @ 38, yes Gana can play on the 13th. Players can't play beyond the 15th. Lucky for Sunderland who have potentially 7 players heading out and they play Newcastle on the 14th.

52  tom BOWERS
02/12/2025    17:30:57

Sorry but Gana is decent but not that good at closing down and tackling.His best days are behind him and we do need to think of a new man in that role.
Maybe Rohl can be that man but injury has stymied that move and Branthwaite can't come back soon enough. However we can get by if our forward runners get the room which The Barcodes denied them last Saturday.
The bottom line is we need some new blood or a new look with the likes of Alcaraz and Dibling to get more time.

53  John Fitzgerald
02/12/2025    18:33:26

Iroegbunam and Alcaraz starting as defensive pivot. Hmmm….

54  Jeff Armstrong
02/12/2025    18:55:22

Midfield is decimated, he maybe should have left Garner in midfield and chanced Patterson at RB, at least with Garner in midfield there’s one regular there.
RB is up for grabs and Patterson might earn a run there.


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