Humiliating shootout condemns stumbling Everton to early FA Cup exit
Everton 1 – 1 Sunderland (0 – 3 on pens)
The first week of the New Year had the potential to be a defining week in the Blues’ season and it has proved to be just that. It might now effectively be over.
From heroes at the end of last year to zeroes — quite literally when it came to a humiliating penalty shootout that added to a burgeoning catalogue of unwanted moments at Hill Dickinson Stadium — at the beginning of 2026, it’s taken just six painful days for Everton to seemingly press the detonator on their season.
The Premier League may yet open up a historic opportunity this term for another club outside of the media-darling set to gatecrash the European places and, like Crystal Palace last season, there’s always the possibility that someone other than the usual monied suspects could win the FA Cup. It looks highly unlikely that Everton will be ruffling any feathers in the top six or seven in 2025/26, though, and the FA Cup dream is already over before it really started.
The first week of the New Year, on the back of the uplifting win at Nottingham Forest and with three successive home games against beatable opponents had the potential to be a defining week in the Blues’ season. In the end, it ended up defining the club itself — one searching for direction and a new identity after years of struggle but hampered by haphazard recruitment, a desperately thin squad, and unsure of where it is going under a veteran manager who was largely outshone by younger counterparts in Brentford’s Keith Andrews and Sunderland’s Regis Le Bris either side of an awful performance against an abject Wolves in midweek.
David Moyes will rightly point to a list of absentees from his squad that was augmented by three in the latter half of the week when Michael Keane and Jack Grealish were sent off and Tim Iroegbunam picked up an injury as mitigation for the three winless games to start to the year that include this miserable display against the Black Cats.
However, while the shortage of available personnel has undoubtedly been a major factor, one exacerbated by the legacy of poor signings from the previous regime, Everton have looked bereft of an established playing style and an effective passing game even when they have been closer to full strength.
Today, in an alarming violation of tradition, they took the field in a change navy-blue fourth kit and were played off their own park by Sunderland in the first half. They fell behind on the half-hour mark to a superbly-taken goal and though they managed to raise their game somewhat in the second period, it was only the precocious endeavour of a teenager getting his first — and mystifyingly belated — minutes that saved them from defeat in normal time.
As it was, Adam Aznou’s efforts in winning an 89th-minute penalty were ultimately in vain thanks to James Garner failing in the shootout from the spot where he had been so clinical in normal time and Everton’s two much-maligned strikers, Thierno Barry and Beto, effectively passing the ball to the grateful Robin Roefs as the Toffees fell in the cup at the first hurdle.
The first quarter of an hour of this first FA Cup tie at Bramley-Moore Dock were unsettling. The hosts, with Nathan Patterson and Tyler Dibling recalled to the right flank, Dwight McNeil moved over to the left, Merlin Röhl operating in midfield alongside Harrison Armstrong and Beto given the nod up front, were dominated by a Sunderland outfit who enjoyed more than 75% of possession in that opening period.
Eliezer Mayenda proved himself to be a handful in the Blues’ penalty area and it was his back-heel for Simon Adingra that led to the first meaningful shot of the match, one that he fired into James Tarkowski before Moyes’s men finally started to settle and make inroads of their own.
A Dibling header off Roefs' clearance fell to Röhl but his control and shot from distance missed the target by a wide margin while Armstrong came within inches a few minutes later of opening his account in spectacular fashion. The youngster was quickest to a loose ball on the edge of the box following an Everton free-kick but his sliced half-volley arced agonisingly over the crossbar.
It was the Blues’ inability to deal with one of Nordi Mukiele’s long throws that was their downfall back down the other end, though, with none of their centre-halves able to make contact. And when Röhl could only help the ball on to Mayenda and he teed up Enzo Le Fée, the Frenchman was able to guide his volley back across goal and into the corner of Jordan Pickford’s goal.
Vitalii Mykolenko went close to equalising when he raked a shot across goal and a foot or so wide of the post but it was the Black Cats who nearly went into the interval 2-0 up when Pickford was forced to dive and save Mukiele’s overhead volley and then palm Romaine Mundle’s effort wide.
Evertonians demanded better in the second half and they did see an uptick in the team’s efforts even if there was precious little in the way of end product. Sunderland gave Everton a scare when Mayenda held off Jake O’Brien and fired across the face of Pickford’s goal in the 63rd minute and Dennis Cirkin hammered into the side-netting after good work by Le Fée but the bulk of the chances went the Toffees’ way.
Beto’s early header presented a routine save to Roefs while the Portuguese later appeared to be dragged down in the penalty area by Trai Hume but referee John Brooks waved play on. Mykolenko then found the target midway but also the keeper midway through the half, Tarkowski looped a header over and substitute Barry’s stooping effort of his own dropped just the wrong side of the upright as time began to ebb away.
Moyes’s charges appeared to have run out of ideas by the final 10 minutes, however, and he took took the decision to withdraw Röhl in favour of Aznou with just four left of the regulation 90. It didn’t take the energetic young Moroccan to make an impact as he tenaciously tried to barrel his way though in the box and tumbled to turf amidst a flurry of legs that did enough to convince Brooks he had been fouled.
Where the absence of VAR might, on a good day, have cost Everton with the Beto incident, this time they benefited from there being no forensic analysis and Garner stepped up to confidently despatch the equaliser.
That led to 30 unwelcome minutes of largely tedious fare by two tiring teams. Pickford had to beat away a fierce drive by Mundle five minutes into extra time, Armstrong collected a one-two with Beto but smashed over while excellent work by Barry freed Beto, only for the latter to crash a right-footer into the side-netting from the angle.
The Wearsiders had two last-gasp cracks at stealing the win in the waning minutes as Granit Xhaka’s shot ricocheted off Tarkowski and almost careened into his own goal and Mundle comfortably cleared the bar with a drive of his own before Brooks called time and signalled a penalty shootout. The less said of which the better…
Where Garner had been faultless from12 yards during normal time, he made life too easy for Roefs with the opening spot-kick and, having guessed the right way, the keeper made a fairly simple save. And as Sunderland efficiently scored all three of their penalties, Barry and Beto’s pathetic attempts were easily saved.
So any hopes of ending a 31-year wait for a trophy have already been extinguished at the Third Round stage. The FA Cup was a viable route to Europe for Everton but it has, instead, become the latest stumble for a team that is in danger of seeing any optimism that has been generated from a couple of exciting signings and flirtations with the top eight just ebb away into frustration and apathy.
Huge work still needs to be done in the transfer market to lift this team up a level; fresh blood and genuine talent is sorely needed while, on this evidence, a number of below-par players need to be moved on. It’s unlikely to come this month so Moyes will look to the returns of Iimnan Ndiaye and Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall in particular to provide a boost.
But there’s an awful lot needed to convince a brow-beaten and dismayed fanbase that this season will be anything other than treading water.
Reader Responses
Selected thoughts from readers10/01/2026 18:09:59
I didnt actually think the penalties were as bad as everyone says. That lady on TNT saying they were awful and that Pickford had no chance with their third (straight down the middle) is typical of the shirt punditry were used to. Their keeper guessed correctly and kept them out.
And as good as Anzou was, lets call a spade a spade; his first two contributions were to dive on the ground. The awarding of the penalty was inexplicable. I guess the same refs out to get us in the PL, favour us in the cup.
Overall we were well second best but as much as I want to complain, we need to remember where we were twelve months ago and the number of players were missing. Time to suck it up Im afraid.
10/01/2026 18:34:34
Sunderland are an example of good recruitment and theyve done it in one window.
Id like to know whos our director of recruitment (scouting) if we have one that is, as they have a lot to answer for.
Whos looking at Barry and thinking “what a great talent with huge potential “ or whos scouting Röhl? Thinking theres a player there? We need some steel in midfield who are going to be nasty and can actually play. Our recruitment has been totally inexcusable for too long.
Kinnear needs to knuckle down after this season as hes got a huge job on his hands along with the rest of the board and that includes Moyes. We can forget this season as its over for us.
Good luck Sunderland with the rest of your endeavours and aspirations this season, a club we could learn a lot from.
10/01/2026 18:39:14
I am going to complain to the club about their disgraceful exploitation of the awful new 4th kit at a home match. I hope nobody is stupid enough to buy it.
McNeil was useless as ever whilst Moyes has clearly knocked the stuffing out of Dibling.
Barry is surely one of the worst signings in the history of the club, summed up by his truly shocking penalty with one from Beto nearly a bad.
Aznou was excellent and should play at Villa instead of Myko, but of course with Moyes in charge he wont.
Out of both cups with a whimper and after three dreadful matches sitting in the cold in I look forward to the dismissal of Moyes in May.
10/01/2026 18:57:38
Welll, for me the Penny has finally dropped, as to why Moyes was hesitant with Dibling, until his hand was forced.
His whole game was error strewn.
Hes one footed, Slow and extremely limited.. a bit like McNeil.
One of his biggest errors, was to Bottle out of Blocking that volley, that put Sunderland ahead.
Instead of presenting his whole body to block it, he turns away completely.
He has more to do than play with his socks rolled Down if he wants to emulate Grealish… at least we can hand Grealish Back.
As for Rohl.. what a disappointment.
No point in analysing the forwards game, as, they are not Forwards.. at least not in the PL, But good enough for us!
I just hope that we no longer squander good money on one-footed, slow, limited players.
10/01/2026 19:36:30
I was not expecting much today and ultimately didnt get anything.
A bench with only one player with premier league experience and that was Barry, meant that we paraded a team that would normally start against a lower league level team but that was all we could muster and that is as far as my goodwill towards Moyes extends.
Dibling was shocking, McNeil so pedestrian and Beto unable to gauge the flight of Pickfords howitsers meant that he never managed to win a ball in the air.
Aznou did Moyes no favours by showing what we could have been seeing on the left wing by simply running at the defence with speed.
As for the penalties, Shane @2, I was there and they were shocking. Why we entrusted our two useless centre forwards (to use the term loosely) to take the 2nd and 3rd penalties beggars belief.
I agree Lyndon, the season is effectively over as I dont expect to sign anyone and as I posted a couple of weeks ago we will see the season out and finish mid table and then decide if Moyes is worthy of seeing our his contract.
10/01/2026 20:06:35
Disastrous day really from start to finish, by a really good looking Sunderland side who played pass and move football to perfection. We were poor with only Pickford and Mykolenko showing moments of quality.
So what happens now ? Even when some of our 'star players' return our thin squad and poor finishing will limit any potential progress. I believe that our most pressing need is for a centre forward, Beto and Barry were terrible again today. However, unless we can bring in someone of proven quality I think it best to accept that we will limp along to the end of the season. Whilst trying to develop some sort of pattern to our play and hoping some of the younger players gain confidence and kick on next season.
Sadly after the early season promise there seems little else to look forward to.
10/01/2026 21:36:39
I will be surprised if we make mid table. Mid to lower rather.
That will take us to another wish away Season and as we approach December, we will be entering our third year of the (Stay away!) Friedkin Dynasty, quite Dreadfuly with Moyes in tow.
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A lot of work still to be done, getting shut of at least 60/70% of our useless Squad, if we want to progress.
« a work in Progress » is the new « Jam Tomorrow ! »
10/01/2026 21:40:53
Football is all about? Being competitive.
Football is all about? Playing with freedom and movement.
Football is all about? Expressing yourself and trying to entertain the fans.
Football is all about? Trying to make people happy.
Football is all about? Winning.
Everton Football Club, are failing and have been failing us for many, many years now because they fail miserably on all of the above.
10/01/2026 22:13:49
I wonder just how many of us were dreading this game? Yes, it was a result of players injured, absent and irresponsibility, but it laid bare not just the absence of depth or Premier League quality, but the failure of a manager's tactics, a club's recruitment and an owner's wilful disregard of leadership. It is a club in a world class stadium with a squad assembled around a McDonald's table by a manager with a long-past use by date.
I advocated for the manager's return but with a proviso that it was short term, because his long-standing failures are bone-shaking memories to all supporters of those other clubs he has managed. His one trophy at West Ham was not enough to save him. He was successful in dragging us back from the brink of Dyche's capitulation but as for rebuilding since, it's been an unmitigated disaster. One thing is clear though, we should never have allowed a rebuild under his influence.
The shuddering truth is we are so far behind the eight ball it's going to take a lot of money and an almost total rebuild of the entire squad. If, as it seems likely, that rebuild is the remit of David Moyes, the next 5 years will be a re-run of another era.
The void of club leadership, direction or expectation is mind-bogglingly bizarre given their commercial expertise, a slowly, slowly improvement approach doesn't work in a dynamic Premier league. it's specifically why Moyes at best is a mid-table manager – he is a measure of the clubs and his own expectation.
It's too late for recriminations, the season is spent and we will hobble along to survival in February. But next season, new blood, new manager and new squad are required.
10/01/2026 22:20:26
Once again we were bitterly disappointed but hardly surprised. We have a squad of twenty one recognised first team outfield players. Nine of them were absent today. Of the remaining twelve on duty, Patterson, Armstrong, Dibling and Röhl had made seven starts between them this season. In terms of goals, the players involved today boasted a grand total of eight scored this season in our first team. So it was inevitable our severely weakened team would find it difficult to hit the back of the net.
All that noted, I did not expect we would be quite so pathetic in the shoot-out. In particular it seemed naïve not to involve senior players in the early penalties. Surely Tarkowski, McNeil, OBrien and even Pickford would have struck shots with more venom than the pitiful efforts of Barry and Beto, neither of whom would have been in my list of first five takers.
It has been our misfortune to have a clutch of winnable fixtures at a juncture when the squad has been at its weakest. Those of our players actually on the pitch today at least showed spirit and deserved the late equaliser.
There could however be no complaints about the ultimate outcome, for Sunderland were the more accomplished team in all departments. We were heavily reliant on James Garner directing operations. He was indefatigable throughout. Armstrong held his own in midfield, Mykolenko was strong at left back while doing his very best to make something count further forward. Likewise Patterson who, with improved fitness and greater experience, showed he could do a passable job at this level. With Keanes suspension he will probably need to do so next week at Villa.
The fixture list now looks comparatively light in the closing months of the season with the final ten matches spread over a period of three months. In typical Everton fashion we will probably have a full squad available with no matches to play.
10/01/2026 22:28:37
Not the time for controversy or bad jokes John, but with ten matches to be spread over three months, then I can imagine David Moyes, singing to himself in the mirror “THATS THE WAY I LIKE IT”
10/01/2026 22:44:03
Tony (12) I can certainly see manager and squad going on a sunshine trip, otherwise known as warm weather training, to fill at least one gap in the fixture list.
10/01/2026 23:18:33
Was that kit we wore today designed for funerals?
Appalled that we didn't wear royal blue.
I was delighted before the game that the club played The Seekers' version of We Shall Not Be Moved. Thank you to whoever decided on that.
It took me back to seasons when a good FA Cup run lifted the atmosphere around the club. Not 2026 though.
As John indicated, comment 13, we have three blank weekends coming up, rounds 4, 5, 6, because this season there are no PL fixtures then.
Is our season over by the second Saturday in January?
And John, I agrèe with many of your points in post 11.
10/01/2026 23:47:58
Im guessing that missing the first 3 of 5 penalties is certainly another “first” for Everton. Happy to be corrected if wrong.
Im old enough to have been present when we beat Moenchengladbach at Goodison - the first European Cup match decided by penalties (available on YouTube if youve not seen it)
Feel sorry for the younger fans of today watching todays pathetic effort.
I now expect us not to sign anyone and limp through the final 18 games with the current squad.
11/01/2026 06:03:53
I feel sick that we are out again at the first hurdle. I used to love the third round, the draw, the games. But more than gutted I feel empty and, Im sad to say, a sort of ‘well at least thats over for another [thirty-first] year'.
What made me more bothered than even Coco and Bongos penalties was the post-match rambling rubbish and junk from out of the mouth of Moyes.
'Someone has to win a penalty shootout and someone has to lose it but I do think there is a way to win it and a way to lose it. I didn't think the way we lost it today was the right way in the taking of it'.
Repeat: ‘ … I do think there is a way to win it and a way to lose it.
He looked lost, shocked, grey, confidence sapped. He just did not want to be there. And then he said this:
'The overall result wasnt so bad it was just the end part … [there is] a way to lose if youre going to do that but we didnt [look like that]'.
Dont dwell on the shoot-out fiasco coz we drew the match. We are supposed to look to Moyes for leadership, inspiration, clarity, and so on. I cannot believe that he uttered this apologist gibberish. Hang on, maybe I can.
He is a one-man personality graveyard and he has to go in the summer, but I dont trust TFG and their ace recruitment team to do the right thing. They got so much wrong in the last window and it feels like they will do the same in this window.
Great to see that Dan the man was at Roma yesterday.
11/01/2026 06:34:36
Patterson looked good enough to be starting, especially when he's the only RB. I could be wrong, but I get the feeling Moyes is a bit of a tyrant in training- my way or the highway, pick on every little thing you do wrong and shut you out till you somehow prove yourself worthy. Not cruel, but pointlessly hard assed maybe. It's just a differert era now though. That approach doesn't work. It's refusing to acknowledge and cope with the way things work these days because you believe they should be- or you want them to be- another way.
Point being, if Patterson had been playing all the RB minutes this season, we would realistically have at least a few more points in the league. Four? Maybe more. We would be a better team. So what in the fuck are we doing here? It's madness.
Also, I've been a supporter since the later part of the first Moyes era. Watching games in the US wasn't always easy or even possible. So I can't claim to have seen every game in the last 15 years or so, but I am wracking my brain trying to recall a penalty shootout we have won. Maybe once in the League Cup?
Imagine if we had kept DCL or Young. I'm not crazy about January spending, but we have to at least be looking for possible strikers. We only need to be looking for a RB in this window if Moyes refuses to play Patterson.
Also, prepare yourselves- Grealish is not coming back next year and someone with money will pry Ndiaye away in the summer. And Moyes will have spent this whole season mindfucking Dibling and giving him a CB as support when he did get to play. Madness.
11/01/2026 07:01:15
Weston - 18 - spot on about Patterson and a really good post more generally. Looks like we could add Aznou to Patterson. We need to keep hold of Harrison for the rest of the season. He is so much better tha Alcaraz, Iroegbunam, Rohl, and the hapless McNeil.
If we do not bring anyone in this window - unforgivable.
Pickford, Patterson, Tarkowski/Branthwaite, O'Brien, Mykolenko, Garner, Gueye, Armstrong, Dewsbury-Hall, Grealish, Ndiaye - with, hopefully, Aznou, Alcaraz, Iroegbunam, Rohl, Dibling, and Barry chomping at the bit.
11/01/2026 07:35:14
I think TFG are as accountable as anyone for this debacle. Wrexhams new owners not only bought the club but bought into its heart and soul. TFG have only bought the club. And only as part of its soulless corporate conglomerate portfolio. To my knowledge, Friedkin hasnt even attended a game. How can that be?
Some talk about their long term plan but I see little evidence of anything different than whats gone before. They parachuted into a new stadium and incredible potential for one of the biggest clubs in England. And what do we have to show for it at the start of January 2026. Out of both cups, mid table and sliding. We have poor management and a poor team who conjured up one of the most abysmal cup performances I can recall seeing. (I cant even talk about the penalties).
Its absolutely dire.
11/01/2026 07:44:58
Top post, John Burns. Dan Friedkin does go the match but yesterday he was at Roma where he has been multiple times. But he has never seen us play.
By the way, John, the distance from Dallas to Rome is 5623 miles and Dallas to Liverpool is 4600 miles.
11/01/2026 09:45:11
Paul F. My wife (who is not that interested but watches the occasional game with me) reminded me that Coco & Bongos penalties were very similar to the one Onana took at Goodison a couple of seasons ago - which he rolled gently towards the keeper.
She asked if it was policy at Everton to try and “look cool” when taking penalties while the policy at Sunderland seemed to be hit it hard and try to score?
11/01/2026 09:55:14
I Have long since started to feel Queezy watching and listening to Moyes Pressers pre and post match.
To the extent that I have stopped listening to him altogether.
Just as I did with Dyche, Benitez and Alardyce.
Not so much with Frank, as I felt sorry and disappointed for him and really wanted it to work out.
He has since proved, that he is a capable Coach with Coventry And honestly folks, Id have him back in a flicker!
Im only going with Paul Ferrys post on Moyes Presser and it would seem to me that hes by far the Biggest Gas lighter of all the Charlatans, that we have had in charge.
Im sick of his Graveyard look and Grimacing, like its nothing to do with him.
I watched that game and we got absolutely Bullied in the opening 15 minutes.
As the game went on, it became clear and apparent that our only chance of scoring, would be from set piece.
Only my opinion mind… and we did.
A piss poor penalty, that their keeper almost saved.
Seriously, I thought to myself when garner was taking the first penalty in the shoot- out.. » please take a run up to the Ball.. not like your last one! »
And he did exactly the same.. ditto Barry and Beto!
What is it with players who cant give themselves momentum ?
Im quite sure that Michael Keane would have shown them how!
The Dread has Stayed with us down the years and Hangs heavy in the Air.
Just like the smog did on a cold winters afternoon, back in the sixties and seventies, when we played on Quagmire pitches.
But we didnt feel the cold, as the entertainment was enough to keep us warm !
Just like it was, when we had the likes of Besic, Holgate and Schneiderlan playing for us.
A terrible sense of hopelessness.
The Rumblings have started regarding Moyes Tenure.
11/01/2026 10:49:06
Following on from my post last night John, I think that Moyes, will have been singing that song for a very good reason.
He likes to work with a small squad of players and with everyone back fit and playing less than one game a week, it actually wouldnt surprise me to see us get some very good results, and I definitely wouldnt rule out us getting a place in one of the smaller European competitions.
Once you get into March, then I definitely think a lot of teams begin to tire in the EPL, (I always thought Moyes teams, tired in January, February or March, before coming again once they were out of the cups) so if he gets his better players back then I definitely wouldnt rule out a late rally.
With Moyes in charge then I believe history is already repeating itself, because the arguments havent changed and neither has the manager imo. Hopefully Im right and a fresher Everton team finish with a flourish, even if I believe its just going to prolong the arguing because if Moyes gets Everton, into Europe, then most people will view this as real success?
11/01/2026 11:34:34
Anthony 23
I dont wish to be flippant, nor Sarcastic, as I know you are a knowledgeable person on football matters and all things regarding Everton.
What will do for me, is if Moyes gets us playing as a cohesive unit, with confidence in all our players and can go Toe to Toe with ANY Team in the PL, that alone will be success for me.
But, he is set in his ways and always relies on a number 9, which often leaves us coughing up possession and relying on the Counter.
In other words, the style of play, which suits most Plucky Teams.. Cup Tie style !
11/01/2026 11:39:50
42 years ago, I was in Stoke with thousands of other Blues for a 3rd round cup tie. Many were openly wondering if it would be Kendall's last game in charge. We saw a lower midtable Everton team grind out a win. It wasn't pretty, but it was clear they wanted it as much as we did.
None of that yesterday. Purposeless, incoherent rubbish from a group of players who looked like strangers.
There are plenty of excuses; injuries, suspensions, thin squad. But we were up against a team that had a similar number of players brought in last summer, who were playing in a effective, coherent way. Far more pleasant on the eye. Better recruitment, better coaching.
There us no excuse for the lack of purpose we saw yesterday. It was telling that only Aznou looked genuinely interested in making something hapoen when he came on.
Yesterday reminded me of the many games under Moyes where we drifted aimlessly into draws or defeats.
Interesting that Moyes justifies playing O'Brien out of position because 'it worked with Lescott'. I refresh my work, and expect Moyes to do the same in a changing game.
Thus year, we will find out how ambitious the Friedkins are. I don't care if they show up on matchdays. I care about them ensuring we bring in higher quality players and that the manager gets the best from them.
From up here, it feels like the early season feelgood factor is slipping away.
11/01/2026 11:55:43
You refresh your work Paul, but the only Everton, that David Moyes truly understands is Bill Kenwrights, Everton. Nothing or nobody could convince me of anything different.
11/01/2026 12:12:49
You could be right, Tony. We'll only know if/when the purse strings get loosened. If the Friedkins share your thoughts, they may well look at Moyes' record buying more expensive players and bring someone else in to spend the money.
11/01/2026 14:50:10
Paul@24, I dont like his football, and never really have except for a little spell towards the end of his first tenure.
I think his style is very rigid, quite robotic, (this explains why his subs are always like for like) and its rare to see his team playing with real belief, in games that really matter.
Football is also supposed to be an entertainment business, so I dont think anyone without an emotional investment in Everton, would ever really choose to watch us playing, because its rarely been exciting since we became plucky little Everton, under this same manager all those years ago.
11/01/2026 15:21:29
To me, injuries, Afcon, Friedkins, it's all beside the point. Moyes has completely left Patterson out of the side until he was left with no other choice, and whether Patterson is up to standard (yours, mine, Moyes, the club generally, the Premier League, whoever) or not, no one can say we would not have performed better on the pitch and thus in the league table with Patterson at RB instead of O'Brien.
If there were actual competition at RB, it would perhaps be forgiveable to hold Patterson to whatever standard Moyes has in mind before letting him on the pitch. But an out of position CB with no pace or attacking ability is not competition.
Simply put, Moyes has been cutting off his nose to spite his face this entire season.
But it gets worse! Insisitng on putting O'Brien at RB has the knock on effect of stunting his development at his real position. We all agree he looks a good prospect at CB, but he can't develop there if he doesn't play there.
And then there is Dibling, kept as out of the side nearly as maniacally as Patterson and then when on the pitch given O'Brien to play off of, which is obviously not good for his game in any respect and not a wise way to ensure a return on your £40 million investment.
So I ask again, what in the world is Moyes doing? He's deliberately, and seemingly as a matter of management philosophy, not putting the best players on the pitch. Why? He's a dinosaur. As lamentable as it might be, the game— people, the world— has changed. You can't just go around acting as if it hasn't.
If anyone has any knowledge or insight into the training ground or squad selection, I would love to hear it. Despite my love of soccer, I grew up with American sports and the American sports media and analysis. Perhaps I'm missing something about the game or the league or the English (yes I know Moyes and Patterson are both Scots). But for the life of me Moyes looks like the arrogant old stuck in his ways high school football coach who has his favorites and is more interested in doing things his way than in results because he thinks sticking to his way no matter what will one day, far from now, yield better results. It's killing us.
11/01/2026 17:45:30
That last sentence is a really interesting perspective Weston, because our manager has his favourites and it really shows.
It brings out arguments all the time, with the people who back our manager, claiming its because his squad players, simply arent good enough, whilst the people who arent convinced by Moyes, have a totally different view.
Twice he has changed winning sides lately and twice we have lost the next game. This doesnt breed togetherness it just breeds continuous arguments, that I mention in the paragraph above, and it must definitely affect the confidence of the players on the outside of the click.
11/01/2026 19:54:12
Weston 29
We have got the Old Moyes Back.
The one that has his hands tied.. the knife to a Gunfight.. the Glass Ceiling Type.
The Dinasaur!
And everyone knows that Dinosaurs never Change their Spots.
What! dinasaurs dont have spots!
check out Dino from the Flintstones!
12/01/2026 00:17:12
Regarding the 4th kit, how come there was nobody at the club to say we cant do that !. We have people maybe flying from other countries and kids at their first game.. I remember mine v West Brom at Goodison in the 70s. It was a wonderful sea of royal blue and white.. Didnt have to sell the brand back then though. it sold itself.
12/01/2026 09:53:45
Everton down to one competition as usual in January.That is not progress.
12/01/2026 10:06:45
Some excellent observations.
I'm beginning to wonder why TFG bothered. Surely the best way to protect their investment is to take some sort of interest in it ?
Moyes is Moyes. I didnt get as upset as Paul by his apologetic uttering's after the match. I guess that's because I expected it. He will never share the hunger of the Evertonian to win a trophy. Respectability is his holy grail. A trophy is just not on his to-do list.
It will be a long time before I will forgive our two non scoring strikers for this one. Who do they think they are ? our season rested upon this and they insult everyone of us with their brittle bravado
Anyone with eyes can see they are not footballers, but if you are low on confidence and ability. Surely you just put your fucking laces through it ?
12/01/2026 19:52:53
if you want to win stuff, you need to get a good team first, no?
you can't just say 'right, we need to win something this year' after a decade fighting relegation.
Patience is key.
ask the Happy Hammers.
12/01/2026 20:34:49
I was at that game too PT. Night and day. That was the leave the windows open one right? If memory serves it was pissing down but the atmosphere was wonderful. I suppose we had a league cup semi to look forward to.
Anyone else getting a tad sick and tired of the lazy 'ask the Happy Hammers' stuff? True I only know five West Ham fans but they do not feel the same way, even today. Ron - yep he likes jellied eels - believes this is the view of the large majority of Hammers.
12/01/2026 20:47:05
That's cos they're in denial about the gigantic own goal they managed Paul, all on their own. People I'm sure who are agitating for Moyes's removal. The last thing they want to hear about is West Ham cos it is such a reproof to their relentless destructive negativity.
12/01/2026 21:26:34
Destructive negativity = plucky little Everton, trying to punch above their weight by taking knives to a gunfight!
12/01/2026 21:53:29
How many times has he said that Tony, and how long ago was it said?
And sometimes it is a psychological ploy to do yourself down before a game. it lulls the opposition into a false sense of security, remember Mourinho turning up at Anfield unshaven in his tracksuit before Gerrard slipped?
How does Moyes deserve this relentless criticism after the last year, he's done better than any manager since he was last here. We should all be on the. up, and cutting him some slack when he's got a squad decimated with injuries and still eking out results. We finished with nine men last week, still didn't get beat.
We finished the game on Saturday with 11 out, still didn't get beat in 120 minutes. Where's the gratitude in him getting us Grealish, KDH, the form of Keane and Garner? I can't believe people are wanting to get on the managerial merry-go-round with AN Other. When we have the example of West Ham, if we keep rolling the dice like this whilst we are still recovering, we are going to get done. And down we will go.
12/01/2026 22:38:02
I dont give David Moyes, relentless criticism Kevin, and more than anything I genuinely hope that the man can succeed at Everton.
I know football is a very tough industry, but I think youre choice of words is bizarre when you say wheres the gratitude for getting us Grealish, KDH and the form of Garner, who I think is coming on great, and Michael Keane.
I gave Dyche gratitude because I thought we were done when he arrived, but real gratitude is only reserved for winners in this game, imo Kevin, so hopefully this is something I can reserve for David, if he does succeed🤞
12/01/2026 22:47:47
My words weren't aimed at you specifically Tony. I think it's fair to say though that the comments in the last month about Moyes on this and other sites have been overwhelmingly negative. And this surprises me. He seems to have built up no credit at all for the previous year's good work, nor for the fact we are neck deep in injuries and absentees, and started off with a very threadbare squad.
The thought of him being forced out because of fan negativity à la West Ham is dismaying, especially when they are a model for how fast the wheels can come off once a competent manager is forced out.
I think it's worth underlining still how vulnerable a state the club is in. What we need most of all is a couple of seasons of humble squad building and incremental improvement, not 'cups or bust' winner takes all.
I think we can all agree Moyes isn't the manager to take us back to the top, but you've got to climb the mountain first before you start thinking where you're going to plant your victory flag.
12/01/2026 23:13:51
'...the last thing they want to hear about is West Ham'.
Not me Kevin or anyone else I know. Nor do I consider myself to be 'destructively negative'. There are times when I think that Moyes has been 'destructively negative', but not me.
I'm sick and tired of hearing about West Ham because it's boring and incorrect, not because I don't want to hear about it. It's one of the illusory false planks that some build their distorted defensive position on Moyes upon.
13/01/2026 08:59:11
"relentless criticism" ? yeah that's what it is.
Most of the criticism of Moyes is in reply to the relentless apologetic pap we have to endure from people who think top half is the new measure of success.
"Ask the hammers". No need to. They made it clear enough that they hated him managing their club and run him out of town. Just like the Mancs and Real Sociedad.
The fact that their terrible owners brought in somebody even worse does not change the fact that the fans hated Moyes being their manager.
Instead of asking the Hammers. How about asking the Mackems ?
13/01/2026 10:29:56
Darren yes, they really did hate having Moyes as the manager. I agree. Paqueta and Bowen and the European trophies and qualifications weren't enough for these east end purists.
They have standards, and I wish them all the best in the Championship.
The reason I say 'ask the Hammers' is cos their situation mirrored our own. A skilful manager had the club riding higher than perhaps it was entitled to expect. Unrealistic expectations of sexy football led to said manager being given the boot. And it is at this point that the lesson begins. Cos the pool of managers willing to crawl over broken glass to manage this fine institution were't that great. So they plumped for a competent if unexciting former Wolves manager. didn/t work out after he'd spent a bomb, so onto Potter, who spent a further bomb and went nowhere. At this point they've been just above the zone for about a year, so it was important the porn barons made the right choice. they didn't and now they are down.
That's us, only swap Angus for the porn barons. And people are running towards this scenario with open arms. Insane. I'd love to know the manager that would have had us beat Sunderland at the weekend finishing a game with eleven out. Certainly not Ancelotti. I wonder who.
13/01/2026 10:42:11
West Ham, who have never been renowned for ever winning trophies, finally won one after a 43 year wait Kevin, but it was still fan negativity, that got rid of the man who delivered, less than two years later.
Everton are now going to be on 32 years without winning a trophy, the longest barren spell by far in our long and once very illustrious history, and our current manager was allowed to preside over nearly 40% of that period, because he kept the wolves from the door, for a very sly, conniving, deceitful chairman, whose only real ambition, was to keep hold of Everton Football Club, for as long as humanly possible.
Theres a reason why a lot of people are negative towards David Moyes, and its probably got a lot to do with sitting there bored watching his football teams play. What other reason could those Hammers fans really have for wanting a man, who put them higher up the table, and got them doing well in Europe, have, other than they must have got fed up watching boring, percentage football, every week?
13/01/2026 10:51:30
Tony
at what point over the last year have Everton been boring to watch, during this critical period whilst he nurses us back to health? We've got some cracking players, but are still in the first months of a very tricky rebuilding job. And as evidence for that I give you the squad we ended last season with, where we lost al load of key players on free transfers, and had to spend sixty million just to stand still.
Nobody is saying Moyes has a job for life. nobody. But for the job of getting a relegation team up to the European spots, and building up a good squad, who is better than him?
And if we agree he's perfect for that particular assignment, why on earth are we agitating for his removal?
13/01/2026 12:56:40
I think you are spouting apologetic pap, Kevin
You always do. That's your prerogative, but when you do, You kinda forfeit the right to complain about relentless criticism.
When people are miserable as sin and losing the love for the game because they have spent all their hard earned to see a notoriously negative manager serving up notoriously negative dross. They are going to react When people like you go all Clement Attlee on them.
Guess what ? They don't need you try to convince them to ignore the evidence of their own eyes.
Stop apologising for this dross and you wont get yourself so upset when you get the responses your posts deserve
13/01/2026 13:43:49
I think that quite a lot of our games have been boring Kevin. The exciting games (imo) like when we were beating United 2-0, until we ran out of gas last season, and ended up drawing 2-2, along with the Merseyside Derby, when Tarkowski got a last minute equaliser, in a game that I thought we could have possibly won, only for Salah, to score a goal out of nothing, when I thought we were slowly grinding Liverpool down.
What other games? I enjoyed the opening game against Brighton, but the occasion and the victory was obviously a thousand times better than the football on display, I thought we looked exciting at Wolves, when we won 3-2, and I also thought we started very impressively at the stadium of light, until we started regressing from around the thirty minute mark.
It was great to win at United, and it was great to win at Forest, because the team came together in the face of adversity, in both those games and although I never watched the game at City, this season, I was listening on the radio, and their crowd sounded very quiet and everything seemed to be going to plan, and I thought to myself, “we could win this” and being honest, because I always try and be honest, the very next thought in my head was “nah - not with David Moyes”
The reason I felt like this Kevin, is that I dont believe David ever really smells blood, and the next thing we were behind, and although I was very happy after the 3-0 Forest game, (I never went the Fulham game) I was also disappointed that the subs never got a bit longer once we had a commanding lead, because modern day football, is all about trying to integrate everyone into the squad, to harness a feeling of belonging, and surely a manager should know this better than anyone? (On the basis that there are going to be times when every single player is needed)
My favourite performance since Moyes returned was the first half at Anfield, last season. We played deep and compact, and could have been well ahead by half time, and although we dropped off and lost the game to a contentious goal in the second half, I just cant understand why we havent really played that way since?
We had a plan, a real plan, nice and compact, comfortable in possession with the ability to spring forward quickly and get in behind, but thats just my own view, of what I have witnessed since Moyes returned, without trying to highlight the ample number of games when the performances have been very boring and mundane.
13/01/2026 13:59:15
what am I apologising for exactly, Darren?
a sixty point season after two goals in ten games?
the highest away win record in the division?
making the signing of the Season in KDH?
revitalising the careers of Garner and Keane?
And all this after the mind numbing pap of the Dyche era.
But the moment he runs into an injury pile up on an already thin squad, then the 'truthers', the straight shooters, emerge. Demanding change, 'we're not going to put up with it ANYMORE!'
ok.
13/01/2026 14:08:06
Tony
it seems to me you can't forgive David for not breaking the glass ceiling more often the last time he was here. You contend this was because of his inherent caution.
My take on that is it was a remarkable achievement to get to the ceiling at all with no net spend. And that we can't yet know how he would react when given a full squad and a proper budget cos he's never had it. He's always been robbing Peter to pay Paul. Maybe he can decide the matter once and for all in the next couple of years. But let's at least give him the chance to move us rip the table. We know he recruits well, we know he will keep us well clear of relegation. surely that's ambition enough for the next couple of years. I certainly wouldn't want to be gambling that so we can return to the lottery of the managerial merrygoround we've been on for a decade.
13/01/2026 14:17:08
Kevin, your posts on Moyes, are becoming nothing short of sensationalism.
I dont write this to offend you, because I have always enjoyed a lot of your posts Kevin, but the highest away win record in the league, which seems to be your newest claim, doesnt quite tell the whole story, mate.
The away table has got Everton, in ninth place on 14 points, after ten games, with a goals column of -1, which is very similar to our home record, of 15 points from eleven games, with another -1 in the goals column, which puts us down in 14th place.
The table that matters the most sees us in 12th position with 29 points, only 3 points behind a top six position, but its very tight, and whoever puts the best run together from 14th upwards, will find themselves qualifying for Europe, in May.
13/01/2026 14:21:01
Its Bill Kenwright, who I could never forgive Kevin.
13/01/2026 14:24:25
Tony
I remember reading in December that nobody had a higher away win record than Moyes over the calendar year. Astonishing, but true.
13/01/2026 14:44:24
He also got a few more points with an alleged, well worse set of players, in the last nineteen games of last season Kevin.
13/01/2026 15:59:45
I was over in TW and came to this site to get away with Moyes out brigade and the Moyes is stabilising us and give him a chance when the injured, suspended and AFCON players are back. I was hoping for some considered comments on what we can do with the players currently available. Alas, its the same old ding dong. No point in making any comments here are Ill probably be pigeonholed in one camp or another.
Just one comment to Darren, There is a saying that you cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Therefore a manage must use the resources that are available to him to get the best out of them. If you think that Moyes has the players available to play the attractive football you crave, them maybe you are not facing up to facts. Take the game against Sunderland at Saturday, they were technically more skilful, faster and played quick ball without very little huffing and puffing. Our players on the other hand are slow, pedestrian constantly looking for openings which they cant see because our midfielders do not create space so the ball ends back with Pickford to hoof it up to Strikers who are well marked by defenders facing the ball. All our players are pedestrian in skill and thought hence we play the percentage football. Not pretty but do you want us to go rushing forward, lose possession and find all our backline caught out of position and pace to start leaking goals and put us back into a relegation battle. Wonder how our open attactive football would be accepted then. We tried that with Martinez who when he took over from Moyes allowed the players to express themselves but we still had a good defensive mindset. In the second season, it all fell apart because Martinez forgot that to win football games you have to be able to defend as well as attack. He neglected the former and that was the start of our decline. Prior to that Everton regularly finished in the top 6.
Im not siding either way but I do believe that this Pro and Anti Moyes often loses perspective.
13/01/2026 18:28:10
13/01/2026 18:28:10
The only perspective I feel when I watch OBrien, constantly checking back every time he receives the ball, is why dio I even bother come to watch this type of boring football, Neil.
I watched Martinez, put a winger on to protect a two goal lead at the start of his second season, after Arsenal had put two wingers on, and needless to say the game finished 2-2.
I watched Martinez, take off the hardest working midfield player on the pitch for a centre forward when we were down to ten men, but winning 2-0, needless to say we lost the game 2-3.
I think we know our football, Patterson, is one of the few players who can get it out of his feet and play forward, but he has never really been taught the art of defending.
A win at Forest, it could have been a loss, but suddenly the players had a system that gave the team balance and it was also a lot easier on the eye.
We might not have got better results in our next three home games, but changing a winning team doesnt fill the squad players with confidence.
Confidence is massive, Dibling was letting the ball run through his legs because he knew Patterson, was breaking forward at Forest, and in the next game against Brentford, he was hooked at half time because he was totally isolated and looked bereft of absolutely every single thing that is required in the professional game
13/01/2026 20:44:30
Antony
For me I don't think O Brien is the player many think he is. I get very frustrated when he receives the ball and he invariably either passes into Tarks or back to Pickford. Rarely does he give a forward pass even the pace of passes from most or our team is pedestrian. Hence my contention is that although I would also love that we move the ball faster and more efficiently after watching Saturdays game, I don't think we have the players to do it.
On the Forest game, I don't think we played as well as people made out. We were constantly under pressure from Forests wingers, the only thing that worked in our favour is that O Neill doubled up with Myko and later Dibling doubled up with Patterson meaning that the quality of the crosses from the Forests wingers was poor which made our defensive partnership look like world beaters.
We got a goal, in my opinion against the run of play created by Tims persistence, McNeill insightful pass and Garner running into space and taking a shot on goal. The second goal again created by McNeill winning the ball when we were under pressure defending but releasing the ball early so that Garner put the ball on a plate for Barry who incidentally had a poor first touch but the ball fell his way and to give him credit took his goal well.
In other words, I don't think our performance against Forest was as good as many are making it out to be.
However, based again on what I saw on Saturday, Patterson played well in my opinion, and certainly does deserve more chances at full back but he does need the right side midfielder for support when we are defending.
This is a Moyes requirement, midfielders must work back and support our defenders. What we do need is that when we do win the ball back that everyone is ready for a fast counter attack just like our second goal against Forest. We also saw how Brentford, and Wolves in the second half were able to move the ball fast and score against us.
Until we get better players who are not only comfortable on the ball, as Grealish is, but can and do move the ball fast, not like Grealish does, and the rest of the team possibly with the exception of KDH, Garner, can we play more expansive football that we desire and then consider getting a manger who can take advantage of their skills.
13/01/2026 21:28:33
Neil, 55, I don't want to get into a David Moyes discussion (too many factors to take into account) but you mentioned Sunderland, positively. They've done well this season.
But I think it's worth noting that all of their players were either in the Championship last season or were signed in the summer.
I would guess their summer signings were with this season uppermost in mind.
I get the impression that some of our summer signings were with 2026-27 and 2027-28 in mind. (I don't think that would have been Moyes's preference)
Of course, we might yet finish above them this season.
13/01/2026 22:10:53
Riding tandem Neil, the only time I have seen Dibling looking half comfortable was during that game against Forest, when he was playing with a natural fullback, who is quite comfortable on the ball?
Otherwise its just back to the lyrics that go with “ride tandem”, in that old Peter Gabriel classic “in the humdrum”
13/01/2026 23:40:03
So Neil
I'm not facing up to facts ??? Unfortunately I cant get away from them
You see my facts are the real ones. The ones which you spend half your life denying.
I don't doubt you are a loyal Evertonion but you seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that David Moyes has no alternative but to instruct his teams to play this stadium emptying, negative shite. Trust me. He has. He chooses to ignore them.
Davey Moyes is a percentage manager. He has long since realised he will get "enough" points by demanding his players stick to a rigid system. He makes them hard to beat. Frustrates the life out of the opponent
Good football depends entirely on good movement. Good movement makes good passing so much easier. It takes the initiative away from the opponent. Without intelligent movement, good football is nigh on impossible to play.
Moyes doesnt have the courage to open up and play. He knows a less risky way to attain "respectability" and he is sticking to it. That may be enough to have you and Kevin Molloy happy clapping until your palms hurt, but you have no right whatsoever to bleat about fans who have paid a fortune to watch this shite. When they criticise him.
No other manager with the talents of people like Ndiaye. Grealish. KDH, Garner and Dibling at his disposal would cower in the way Moyes has.
No other manager would empty a brand spanking new stadium as quickly or as often. Its not just at BMD. The sight of thousands of fans streaming out of Old Trafford. The stadium of Light and the city of London stadium sickened by his cowardly tactics has always been a very familiar one.
I wonder if you guys would be so ready with your excuses if you were paying all your spare cash to see a team stick rigidly to their positions behind a one man forward line which generally operates in a different postcode.
There is no honour in what Moyes does. His methods may enable his teams to grind out enough points. Reach the lofty heights of respectability...But it'll never be an acceptable alternative to football
14/01/2026 01:10:55
I posterd this on the other thread, but it seems to underline your points Darren.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-4460892/David-Moyes-vampire-sucked-life-Sunderland.html
14/01/2026 09:20:57
Darren
I don't think you got my point. I agree the Moyes is a percentage Manager making his team hard to beat. Thats why he was brought in last year to try and save us from being relegated when Dyche admitted that he couldnt get anything more from the team. Moyes came in and did. He steadied the ship which we needed and have at least one year where we are not constantly fearing relegation.
My contention is that with the players we have available, that I don't think Moyes or any other manger would play the wide open football you crave for the following reasons. Our footballers are not the one touch crisp passing players that Sunderland had on Saturday. Our best players which you mentioned are all ball carriers which is great when it works but when we lose the ball which by the laws of average we will, our defenders are exposed and there is a high probability that we will concede as against Brentford and Wolves. Our defenders are slow, ponderous and have very little eye for a good pass. Is that their fault or is it that the midfielders are not creating the spaces for them to provide a pass. I don't know but what I do know is that watching our defenders with the ball is like watching the same movie over and over again. In addition to our defenders pedestrian pace I also have a problem with the way we use and Grealish plays. He is very good at holding onto the ball but very slow in releasing it, crossing it or even taking a shot at goal. This is no help to our very limited strikers so if we bring in a clinical striker in January I hope he gets better opportunities than those currently being used. Ndiaye and KDH are our only goal threats
I don't have any problem replacing Moyes at the end of the season but this has got to be done with some sort of footballing plan. We don't have the players for the tippy tappy football that Sunderland played so if we are going to work with the talented players you mentioned, we need a totally different set of defenders comfortable on the ball, players who when we win back possession when defending can turn defence into attack with 1-2 passes and a clinical striker.
Once we decide what type of football our players are best suited we pick the right type of manager to deliver and not automatically go for the current favourites like Glasner or Iraola. I am not saying that they no to them but we have seen how Frank and other favourite managers have done when the move to bigger clubs. Just make sure that the next appointment is well though out with a clear footballing strategy and a manger to deliver it.
14/01/2026 11:40:29
A vampire sucking the life out of Sunderland eh Christine. Did you know when he resigned he chose not to claim his £3m compensation which he was legally entitled to under his 4 year contract?
some vampire that.
14/01/2026 14:19:38
14/01/2026 14:19:52
Kevin, you enjoy a bit of hyperbole yourself.
Take this for instance “how does Moyes deserve this relentless criticism after the last year, he's done better than any manager since he was last here.”
The managers win ratio since he returned is 38.6%, surpassed by Koeman (41.4%), Martinez (42.7%) and Ancelotti (46.3%). At least try to anchor your observations on some basis of fact.
14/01/2026 14:28:39
Not forgetting that the stats for both Martinez & Ancelotti were better than Moyes' first stint, Steve.
14/01/2026 14:31:43
it's not just about win ratio though Steve is it?
I take your point, Koeman got 61 points in his first full season, compared with Moyes's 59 over a calendar year. And you are perfectly entitled to your opinion that he did the better job, not one I can ever agree with but it's all about opinions.
He matched Ancelotti 59 points. And obv Roberto beat him on the points total in his first year.
I still stand by what I said, the circumstances surrounding when he took over this basket case of a club (compared with the Rolls Royce Roberto took over) mean he did the best job of any of them.
14/01/2026 16:17:21
Moyes has got us onto a platform where we can go forward from if the owners want to back the team but I think it will need a young progressive manager to do that.
At least the Conor Gallagher rumours can go away now.
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10/01/2026 18:08:42
Such a disappointing performance.
Didnt deserve to even to get to penalties.
I dont recall their keeper having to make a single save (apart from the 87th minute pen), in a home F.A. Cup tie.
Lets keep Barry, and sell Beto, if we can get 50p for him.