It was a desperately sad send-off but, in many ways, the most Everton of farewells. Seamus Coleman made the pitch for what will likely be his final appearance at the end of a 17-year career with the Blues, committed an uncharacteristic error of judgement that led to a goal, and then trudged around a mostly empty Hill Dickinson Stadium with his family afterwards, the vast majority of supporters having left in disgust before full-time.

As this match against Sunderland approached the hour mark, the afternoon was on course to be a wholly different affair. Despite having put in a desperately poor first-half performance, Everton were ahead through Merlin Röhl’s deflected strike and, with results going their way elsewhere, very much in the mix for European qualification heading into the final day next weekend.

Then, in a manner so in keeping with their form at Bramley-Moore Dock this season and their recent porousness at the back, they imploded. Jake O’Brien gifted the Black Cats possession with an awful lay-off and Brian Brobbey equalised; Morgan Le Fée later turned the contest on its head and Wilson Isidor rubbed salt into open wounds in stoppage time.

This was the culmination of five weeks of blown chances, mental fragility and physical fatigue since that stirring win over Chelsea that has seen Everton go from Champions League outsiders to depressing mid-table mediocrity.

Chief Executive, Angus Kinnear, spoke in his programme notes of being “happily dissatisfied” with the progress made this season under David Moyes but, with the campaign fizzling out in infuriating fashion, it looks more like consolidation than any tangible steps forward under the veteran manager who spoke of his “disappointment” at the result afterwards but who has overseen a worrying collapse in his side’s form.

With his team having shipped 11 goals in their last five matches, the opportunity was there for Moyes to try something different at the back but, true to his nature, he stuck with the same back four, while also retaining Röhl wide on the right and leaving Tyrique George on the bench.

Röhl repaid his faith with the opening goal while George would show what he might have brought to the day with a terrific cross late on but, on the whole, the the Toffees looked jaded and devoid of any tempo and intensity.

Indeed, after Beto’s poor control from Röhl’s inviting cross had seen an early chance get away from him, it was the visitors who dominated the ball for much of the first period.

Lutsharel Geertruida half-volleyed over in the 20th minute and Nordi Mukiele also cleared Jordan Pickford’s crossbar from distance before James Garner tested Robin Roefs with a drive of his own and Beto glanced a header disappointingly wide from Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall’s cross.

Then, as half-time approached, Everton made a much-needed if somewhat fortuitous breakthrough. Röhl collected the ball outside the Sunderland box, teased his marker to make space for a shot and then fired a left-footer that took a heavy deflection off Granit Xhaka’s boot and flew in.

It should have been the platform from which Moyes’s men went on to solidify their position in the second period against a team that started their first season back in the top flight in explosive fashion but who had been in bottom-four form since Christmas.

But Everton continued to be ponderous and largely insipid. Pickford had to block Mukiele’s centre from the byline at his near post and then race back to his line to bat Trai Hume’s wayward cross over his bar.

Then, as has so often been the case lately, came a pivotal moment on the counter-attack in the 57th minute. Dewsbury-Hall sent Ndiaye away with Beto sprinting ahead of him but the Senegalese wasted the chance with an awful delivery that was easily mopped up by the Black Cats’ defence.

Two minutes later, it was 1-1. For reasons best known to O’Brien, the Irishman tried a risky lay-off of a routine high ball to James Tarkowski but gave it straight to Le Fée who played Brobbey in with a quick pass. The Dutch striker bounced Tarkowski onto his backside with strength on the ball before smashing a shot inside Pickford’s near post.

That goal briefly sparked Everton into life and Ndiaye found himself bearing down on goal again at the end of another break but, once more, he lacked conviction, firing harmlessly into the leg of the nearest defender while O’Brien failed to make immediate amends with a mis-timed header that bounced wide of the target.

If there was hope that Moyes’s 72nd-minute substitutions might propel the Blues to victory, defensive weakness proved to be the Blues’ undoing at the other end.

Sunderland won the ball in the centre circle and worked it down their right through Hulme. He found Habib Diarra who crossed low into the box where Hulme had continued his run to square it to Le Fée and though Pickford should have dealt with it, the midfielder’s shot squirmed inside the far post to make it 2-1 to the visitors.

O’Brien will wonder how he didn’t level matters just four minutes later when he met George’s excellent delivery from the left with a thumping header but Roefs positioned himself well and diverted the ball over with his shoulder.

A desperation move by Moyes to throw Coleman and McNeil on rather than Charly Alcaraz for Röhl and O’Brien made no impact other than for Coleman to opt not to sweep away a carbon-copy cross from Diarra and Isidor gratefully accepted the chance to place it beyond Pickford and kill the game.

There should be no sugar-coating the assessment of this performance. Moyes’s men were unforgivably poor on a day that promised so much and which could have ended with Everton in a prime spot to make Europe.

Instead, Evertonians will reflect despondently on a massive opportunity missed while doubts grow over the club’s trajectory under a manager who put his faith in — and likely overused — a core group of players who ultimately failed to grasp what has been in front of them ever since they destroyed Chelsea here in March.

Rather than eyeing seventh, Everton go into the final day in real danger of falling as low as 14th with just one more point than they managed last term. Kinnear can dress that up as progress if he likes but it won’t wash with many who will feel hugely let down if that’s the way 2025/26 ends.



Reader Responses

Selected thoughts from readers
Certain off-topic comments may be removed to keep the discussion on track

1  Ian Pilkington
17/05/2026    19:38:09

Today’s performance was a total disgrace.

Kinnear’s comments about Moyes may hopefully turn into the traditional chairman’s vote of confidence for a manager shortly before wielding the axe.

A season of mediocre football ending with 2 points from 15 (probably 18) and with it an outstanding chance for Europe should surely give the Friedkins no option but to sack Moyes forthwith and take Kinnear with him.

2  Mark Wilson
17/05/2026    19:54:19

Wow, what a disappointment considering the chances we’ve had to progress, possibly into a European spot. Again it seems that the lack of depth and quality within the squad has come back to haunt us. Although playing the same players over and over again has been detrimental to overall performance over the last six or seven games. I’m beginning to wonder whether Moyes is the manager to take us further, or should we start thinking about a more progressive, younger manager.

3  Paul Birmingham
17/05/2026    20:11:38

That was shocking. Sunderland played like they were at home.

Today I sensed some players had given up, and too many slopey passes and lack of guile and belief when needed in defense, midfield and attack.

Absolutely numb, no complaints about losing, just the lack of style and manner on todays defeat.Emarrassing and like ladt week, the rb anx lb, are no where and the Chikle Bros in central defence, are wrong footed. Too easy.

Ground Hog Day, again at the Hill Dickinson.

But today the back 4 should have shown their collective incompetance as defenders, hopefully they wont be starting ganmes,next season.

This season, has fell off the Cliff, the last 7 weeks.
Basic mistakes, spewing goals and advantages to the opposition, all over the Park.

Theres been a life time of cack performanances but today will be remembered as one of the worst.

In football you get lucky to carry x1 under par player performance/ game, but this is happening too regularly with 7 or 8 players, not playing well. The last couple of months, killing this seasons hopes.

Get the Spurs game done, and lets see.

That was the biggest let down, for many years and by Everton standards, its up there with many games, where Everton didnt turn up.


How Everton, will ma ave to attract some decent players, will be difficult.


4  Paul Tran
17/05/2026    20:34:55

I got a Wigan 0-3 backlash watching that.

That day I prayed Utd wouldn't have second thoughts of taking Moyes off us.

If our owners aren't talking to Iraola, Glasner, or other suitable candidates after the last few weeks, I'm not sure what their game is with our club.

5  Harry Hockley
17/05/2026    20:51:48

My expectations for this game wasn’t very high to say the least, in fact my expectations for this season had been quite substandard.

I’m not entirely sure where others’ expectations are coming from, I’d like to know what warrants such high expectations so quickly?i think we may have a very old and impatient audience?

Were 12th and have been safe for some time now so I’m grateful for that much and I can see us kicking on next season with a top 8 finish and “Europe” as we’ll be much more equipped with some good recruitment in key areas, especially defence.

Good season overall from Moyes and the players, delivering a stable club and foundation ready to build on in the summer after flirting with relegation for many years. So well done and thank you.


6  Weston Schmidt
17/05/2026    21:01:15

Oh. Oh no, oh dear.

Anyone still want to defend the manager? Actually, please don't answer that, because I know some will.

Friedkins, please, a demonstration of your intent.

Seeing as it will probably be a while before another serious relegation scare, Seamus Coleman's last moments will be the epitome of "Everton, that" for quite some time. Sad for the lad. Before his injury he was near elite. Even afterwards he was a damn good player on his day and the heart of the team. One of us. Did he deserve better? Did he deserve some silverware somewhere along the way? Deserve is a tricky word. I can only say, if he had gotten it, it would have been because he earned it.

To be honest I'm not sure I like seeing him or Baines (or Moyes!) still hanging around the club, for several reasons. If Baines wants to be a manager someday, he should go pay his dues elsewhere and come back when he's up to the task. Some ex players have earned respect, Baines among them, but it reeks of living in the past having him around.

"Dad, who is that Baines always on the sidelines?"

"Ah, son, he used to play LB here. Great player."

"But what's he doing?"

"Erm, well, he's helping out the manager."

"How does he do that?"

"Well... Uhhh... did I mention he was a bloody good LB?"

"Yeah, you did. How good? Best in the league? Best in England?"

"I wouldn't go that far now..."

"Is he good at... whatever his job is now?"

"ummm "

You get the picture. I think back, where did it all go wrong? Was Silva let go to soon? Who should have replaced Ancelotti?

How much will we get for McNeil this summer? Or will Moyes want to keep him now???

7  Kieran Fitzgerald
17/05/2026    21:04:43

It feels like the relegation mindset that had dogged the club in recent seasons has never really gone away.

Sections of this season have felt like a relegation spiral. This current run of games has come late enough in the season to save us.

The fact is, several players in this squad are weak and another clear out is needed in the summer. My fear is that players signed last summer will have been infected with apathy, a sense of why bother, and I'm going nowhere.fast here. Whether or not our owners have the will, the stomach and the finances required to replace the coaching staff and continue to upgrade the squad remains to be seen.

Another fear is that this squad will go into the close season with all sorts of negativity festering. If the same squad comes back for pre-season they will start where they left off in May. Unless there is a change in management, both in terms of the coaching staff and what is running the club day to day, we will be in big trouble come the start of the new season come August.

And the thing is, the home crowd at BMD will be carrying a different form of the same apathy and negativity. It will be a toxic environment at home games.

8  Paul Conway
17/05/2026    21:40:21

Can anyone show me a slower, ineffective, technically woeful defensive unit, such as ours, in the PL?…. You are allowed to Trawl the Championship !

O’Brien got absolutely skinned on the wing, for his first Yellow.
The sight of thirty-somethings like Keane and Tarkowski trotting back, to chase down a younger Hungry opponent in on Goal, is just lamentable.

I’ll probably get Pelters for this, but this is how I see our Progress, as we are supposed to to be a work in progress..
PICKFORD
——. —— BRANTHWAITE ——
GARNER. ——-
———. KDH. Ndiaye
——-
The Blanks are Berths that we need to fill in, with very high ( Top 6 material !) quality players. And I mean, the type of players who would be coveted by Top Teams.

The Blanks that are already occupied, are by who should be Squad players who, should be warming our atrocious Bench, and others who will never be good enough, to grace our yet to be Hallowed Turf!

The very same Turf, that has been hitherto more than magnanimous to all comers.

As, for our Manager, it seems to me that he is still learning his Trade, with his abysmal use and timing of Substitutes.

I can only hope that he finishes his formation elsewhere ASAP!

9  Jerome Shields
17/05/2026    22:05:10

Against Sunderland, Everton did appear to retreat noticeably after halftime instead of keeping the front-foot approach that got them ahead.By sitting 10–15 yards deeper Everton invited sustained pressure.Their midfield became stretched from the forwards. Sunderland’s creative players had more time facing goal. Everton lost the ability to counterpress after turnovers. The equaliser felt like it had been coming because Everton stopped carrying a threat up the pitch. Once Sunderland sensed that passivity, they grew in confidence and pushed their full-backs and attacking midfielders much higher.Moyes when Sunderland equaliser did nothing. He even did not try to counter Sunderland substitutions. No change or energy was introduced.Everton clearly looked I fit in comparison to Sunderland, down to early Summer holidays at Finch Farm

Etc, Etc, Etc, Etc.

You get so feed up with this.

Europe was never on the agenda.We are talking Premiership survival as the sun total agenda.To work beyond that is extra and they get paid anyway.

TFG have to do so something.There is no point continuing with this.

10  Kieran Fitzgerald
17/05/2026    22:56:15

Paul, to make matters worse, we have no idea if Dibling or Aznou would fill any of those blanks. A full season apiece and we know nothing about them.

Same with Alcaraz, showed enough last season to be signed permanently yet no clue after a full season on the books if he warrants filling one of those blanks.

George has had half a season, has shown glimpses to warrant more game time, yet nothing learned to say whether we would be justified in paying a transfer fee for him.

Rohl has been given a couple of games at season's end, shown some potential, yet we don't know enough about him.

It's infuriating because we should have given ourselves a much easier transfer window this summer. Instead we have several unknown quantities who may or may not want to stay at the club given how badly they've been treated.

11  Paul Conway
17/05/2026    23:23:10

Kieran, this may sound ridiculous, but l was looking a Rohl’s movement in and around the penalty Area, and I thought he couldn’t be any worse than Barry, as a CF!

He does possess good control and has a bit of speed.
Apparently, he can be utilised in a few positions.

Ok! I know… Desperation!
It rears it’s ugly head to an Evertonian, at the end of every Season!

12  Peter Hoban
17/05/2026    23:30:31

That was shocking, truly shocking.
A first half of two teams who looked as though the end of season had arrived followed by a second half when we totally capitulated.
As I’ve said before I was grateful for what Moyes achieved last season but we haven’t really moved on.
We have just suffered a full season of O’Brien at right back, a full season.
Today’s back four were terrible from start to finish and Tim will never be a premier league player.
I’m sick of it now.

We will not improve with Moyes as our manager. We need to move on and employ someone who will have a flexible system, who will use all the squad players, who will make subs that can affect the game and not be like for like or too late to be of any use.

And what a disgraceful way to treat Seamus on his last home game.

He should have started indeed he should have started for the last two months so he makes a belated substitute appearance and has to walk around an almost deserted ground.

He deserved better. We all deserved better.

It’s a good job I’ve already renewed my season ticket.

13  Neil Lawson
17/05/2026    23:47:26

Out played all over the park by those world beaters, Sunderland. Disgraceful.
Goodbye Mr M.

14  Mike Barrett
17/05/2026    23:56:16

I'm sick to death of handing the initiative to the opposition every home game.why is it moyes never has us on the front foot?

I can accept 25-30% possession against city,arsenal etc but Sunderland?! on our last home game of the season! when Europe was tantalisingly close its typical moyes he will not go for it
14 goals conceded in the last 6 games and he sticks with the same back four game after game

Players looked knackered, we've had no cup games but he sticks to his favourites and will not utilise the squad I was fine with him coming back because I knew he'd give us stability but if we want to push on he's not the man to take us forward he really isn't

Rant over! UTFT!

15  Ian Pilkington
17/05/2026    23:56:32

Harry @5

Grateful for finishing 12th?

Thank you for a good season, well done Moyes?

Are you really an Evertonian?

16  Ben King
18/05/2026    00:51:54

That was absolutely crap.

Perhaps Moyes has a higher floor than many other managers but he also appears to have a lower ceiling (not my phrase but it fits)

As Evertonians we’re so desperate for some joy that we need someone to provide some soon

17  Lee Courtliff
18/05/2026    04:30:03

I'm still absolutely fuming at that performance! I've always backed Moyes since he returned but I've had enough of him now, break the bank for Ariola and give us a young, exciting team that we can really get behind.

18  Rich Pritchard
18/05/2026    06:50:12

Please don't submit me another season of Moyes' anti football! We must be the most boring team in the Premier league by far.
Watching Everton is not an enjoyable experience, and to me it's down to this Walter Smith apprentice.
Football today is a sport for elite athletes, what we have is a collection of non-elite players. A misplaced pass in midfield can be punished by conceding goals, so Iroegbunam and Röhl take note! Misplaced passes in defence are catastrophic, O'brien, keane, Mykolenko, Tarkowski, you are all guilty, time after time.
Please get us a manager who utilises players in their right positions and rotates substitutes to freshen things up.
Moyes' methods are outdated and don't belong in the Premier league, get someone with fresh ideas to take us forward. UTFT

19  Dean Johnson
18/05/2026    08:38:12

Words fail me, everyone on here is the same as t@#££__&, apart from balanced and balancing Lyndon of course

People using certain superlatives to describe what is men kicking around a bag of wind leaves me with little hope.

It's literally 90% Moyes out. Just can't get my head around that. With 90% of the Dyche team who were fighting relegation and a fresh sprinkling of more poor signings (bar KDH and Grealish), we have hit par.

We have a dual club owner, perhaps that after moshiri is another shit show?

With that sort of crap going on, we need pragmatism on the pitch.

What we REALLY need is better scouts and players who want to play for Everton - however the way we treat our own players and managers - it is a paradox.

Goodison was horrific for getting on players backs, maybe that isn't attractive to a player either.

We can NEVER be successful, it just isn't possible, players are just too scared to make a mistake.

Not a popular opinion at all, but hey, do not want to be a part of the pile on.

20  David Bromwell
18/05/2026    08:40:11

Yesterday was just dreadful, the basis for any level of good football has to be pass and move, and sadly this Everton Team simply cannot do that. Watching Sunderland yesterday was a joy compared to our usual long ball kick and rush tactics, with the same tired, tested and failed 11 players. I agree with Kieran at 10, that the Manager has contributed to this situation by continually selecting the same players, and his failure to use and develop the younger squad players has wasted a whole season.

We have seen some poor performances at home but yesterday was just about the worst and things will have to improve drastically next season or the atmosphere will quickly become toxic, and David Moyes love affair with the Club will come to a sorry end.

21  Paul Swan
18/05/2026    09:21:02

As soon as you saw the lineup yesterday you knew exactly the way this game would play out. From the kick off Sunderland were sharper than us faster than us and were capable of passing the football with at least some attacking intent. We on the other hand were predictably slow ponderous with zero movement off the ball and far too many times just hoofed the ball aimlessly up the field to players incapable of competing for the ball. What was the game plan? What were the tactics? If Southampton get promoted they could save someone’s bus fare next season as they would not need to send any spies to our training sessions. Not one single player played well for us. Rohl showed flashes but he’s untidy and raw at times but at least seemed to be trying but as for the rest of them, they couldn’t be bothered. Their manager made wholesale substitutions as he could see we were there for the taking. Ours on the other hand was like a rabbit caught in the headlights not knowing what to do apart from the absolutely predictable striker swap and then changes born out of sentimentality. We still had something to play for at that point but the last two changes by Moyes showed Sunderland that we had given up on the game to its inevitable conclusion.

The first season at the new ground has been abysmal for me. I’ve seen two, possibly three performances of note there but the rest has been the same old slog we were served up in the past four seasons. As with first time around Moyes promises a lot but delivers almost nothing apart from lame excuses and statements designed to placate the fans into thinking you should be happy with what you’ve got. Something has got to change but this guy can’t change his spots.

22  Mike Doyle
18/05/2026    10:27:28

Mike B #14. Great Minds etc... (I just made similar points on another site). Many of the players look exhausted probably because they are suffering fatigue and need a break / rotation.

I recall an interview with Dennis Bergkamp saying that in his last couple of seasons at Arsenal, Arsene Wenger started subbing him at around the 60 minute mark because his performance levels were dropping - and that was over 20 years ago!

Similarly Klopp stated that he felt it unreasonable to ask James Milner to play 2 games a week at 35 (he was then younger then than Gana is now!)

Seemingly Mr Moyes has a different view.

Looking ahead, I expect both Gana and Ndiaye to return from the summer world cup totally knackered for the start of next season.

23  Peter Hoban
18/05/2026    10:46:43

I assume, Dean @19, you are railing against all the sensible posters on here because you think Moyes has done an excellent job?

The back room staff were assembled over several months last year so will need time to bed in meaning this summer’s transfer window will give us a strong indication of where we are at.

What we do know however, and can see with our own eyes, is that tactically Moyes is a one trick pony.

He never varies the way we play, plays some out of position, doesn’t favour young players and makes very few subs too late to have an effect.

That’s what we know and that is why most who post on here want change because we have limped towards the end of the season and we expect more of the same next no matter who we sign.

24  Frank Sheppard
18/05/2026    10:56:05

At times this season, I have been delighted by the performances and the direction the way we seem to have been improving.

Unfortunately, the terrible result and terrible performance against Sunderland was very predictable.

We don’t seem to have moved on since Lampard and Dyche where we can’t beat and are outplayed by newly promoted teams.

25  Alan McMillan
18/05/2026    10:57:38

We have a decent squad but gobshite moyes refuses to utilize it. How must they feel sitting on the bench watching this tripe every week?

We have a team of bottlers who look for excuses way too often. Playing for everton is the ultimate dream for a footballer; wages of a big club with absolutely none of the pressure or expectation of winning. They are a rinky dink band of bang average spoofers.

Ndiaye seems to be saving himself for the world cup. The rest of them have checked out since the Chelsea game, basking in the glory of a once in a season performance, absolutely none of them came back looking as if they were half arsed.

Moyes mentioned how difficult it was last season, trying to attract players to the club because we couldn't offer European football. Hmmm...perhaps the current band of under achievers don't want Europe as their handy little number would be jeopardized??

Time for Moyes to go and to take this shower of underachieving morons with him.

As for Sëamus, he does indeed represent modern day everton; Heroic failure.

I hope the end of season lap of honour in an almost empty stadium is a pathetic goodbye for a lot of these players.

26  Mark Stanley
18/05/2026    12:06:33

Lyndon, yesterday's performance was shameful at best and insulting to the supporters at worst. And I don't blame it on the players, it sits squarely with the manager as he's the one who picks the team, decides the style of play and when to refresh things when they are not working. Up to now I haven't been one for calling for Moyes head, I am today.
We have been shocking since the Chelsea game and you can see the despondency within the team. They look shattered, and that's with no European competition! The manager can change half the team for goodness sake, but Moyes sticks to the same bunch each week, barring injuries, and always waits too long to make changes unlike the younger managers we are now coming up against like the three B's and Sunderland for instance, who incidentally totally outplayed us for the majority of the game and thoroughly deserved their win. Good luck to them in their push for Europe.
If any season ticket holders were waiting for this week to renew I suspect what most will be thinking 'no chance', not to watch that dross. I'm thankful I couldn't get a ticket, that's £100 saved.
I fully agree with Paul #8 team, and suggest that I'll be surprised if Ndiaye doesn't want out this summer.
Three points from 18 is relegation form and I don't expect anything from Spurs so three from 21. Carry that into next season and we we'll be fighting for survival all over again.

27  Kieran Fitzgerald
18/05/2026    12:32:50

Mark, world cups are great shop windows. Ndiaye has been decent in the PL for us. He had a half decent reputation before that. A good world cup and he could easily get a good move away.

Why should I stay is a question that Ndiaye, Garner and KDH will be asking themselves. Both Garner and KDH have enhanced their reputations this season, both can be seen as coming into their prime years.

Why should George stay on a permanent basis. He has shown enough to get better loan moves. A new manager at Chelsea may like him.

I can't see huge sums being invested in the squad this summer. What was spent last summer hasn't been utilised.

You may see a couple from Tarks, Patterson Barry and Mylochenko quietly shipped out. Gana and Coleman are out of contract.

With no European games, the current squad may need to make do. Unless a bug player leaves for good money that can be reinvested, we standing still or going backwards.

28  Paul Conway
18/05/2026    13:31:55

Kieran. I agree with the players you mentioned, but I would like to add Keane and McNeil to that lot

McNeil showed a modicum of ability, after his failed move to Palace and a lot of us thought, including myself, that he might have a renaissance.

But, he had three garbage games on the trot, where he was hooked and replaced by George.

He was still a starter after each horror show and George should of at least Started, or, replaced McNeil well before he eventually did.

I was always of the opinion that, if a player was having a mare in consecutive games, and his replacement played better in the handful of minutes that he was on the pitch, than the player he replaced did in his whole time on the pitch, than that said replacement should be an automatic starter over the other player.

Everyone of our Defenders has a Howler in his locker.
it’s just a matter of random rotation… If it’s not one, it’s the other.

It’s squeaky Bum Time at every Set piece against us.
as good as Pickford is at shot stopping and reflex saves, he’s not great at commanding his six yard area and there’s a sense of flapability about him.

So, given the players we mentioned, it’s going to take a miracle to get rid of them in the next window.
And then there’s the curious cases of Dibling and Aznou!!

And then it’s not sure that Moyes has plans to move them on.
if the Rumours are true, that Stones is coming back, then that’s a Typical Moyes mindset.

How long more are we going to to depend on the 60’s model of a number nine.
It’s just so predictable.

I wouldn’t mind, the Players are out there.
if Brentford, Brighton, Crystal Palace, Sunderland and Leeds can do it, it’s got to be down to modern day management.
Just my opinion.

29  John Raftery
18/05/2026    14:08:58

If there was a positive from yesterday, the dire performance served to confirm the shortcomings in our squad thus removing any risk of complacency in the upcoming summer transfer window.

We have some very good players like Garner, Dewsbury-Hall and Ndiaye. All three of them have been off the pace in recent weeks. The absence of Gana might be part of the explanation for that. He does so much to knit the team together especially out of possession. Tim Iroegbunam remains inconsistent at the heart of our midfield, promising much but never quite delivering.

The lack of quality at right back is compounded by, in the absence of Branthwaite, the lack of pace in central defence. Throughout the season we have looked leaky when teams launch swift counterattacks, especially after we have given away possession in our own half as O’Brien did yesterday.

Central defence is not the only area lacking pace. We badly need at least one wide attacker with the speed and skill to push opponents back. Ndiaye, Grealish and Dibling are not in that category. Is Tyrique George? We don’t really know. Above all though, it is clear that unless the players are operating at full intensity they lack the class to win Premier League games. The last six matches without a win are evidence of that.

30  Peter Hodgson
18/05/2026    14:59:27

I was one of those that welcomed Moyes back because he would provide us with some stability. And he did. What he didn't do, and yesterday, when it was shown to all except the blind amongst us, that he is clueless in doing things differently no matter what the needs of the day is. I'm afraid he has got to go.

Lets be honest, I am glad in a way that we haven't put ourselves in a European position for next season as it would have only ended in tears with this manager and this squad.

TFG have to get their act together pdq and right this failed idea of theirs before it goes any further and give the new manager sufficient time pre-season to get whatever the new premier league squad they assemble a chance of hitting expectations from the off. And they must ensure that the new players are premier league ready and NOT work in progress so the manager has no excuse for not playing them as a I suspect Moyes would say about last summers intake rightly or wrongly. The square pegs in the current squad must also be shown the door just the same as those who are not up to Premier League standard.

It will be very interesting to see who goes and who is recruited and how the squad is assembled after what must be a disappointing season, when most of us were anticipating an improvement in our fortunes. The 25/26 season was a failure we don't want to see again next year!

31  raymond Fox
18/05/2026    15:53:24

We were doing ok results wise till recently, since when it has gone pear shaped.
I think Moyes has to go, too many supporters have now lost faith in him.

Football is about players they are more important than any manager, whoever we change him for must have the best players we can afford otherwise it will be the same again.

32  Weston Schmidt
18/05/2026    17:43:54

If Ndiaye plays at the WC anywhere near the level he reached with us earlier this season, he will be out of here. And why not? He spent most of the season with an out of position CB supporting him on the righr side and a nonentity, as far as attack goes, on the left. Why not go to a more successful club where the teammates will be better to play with and a pay increase? Moyes rushed him back after AFCON and then burned him out. All because he refused to play Dibling. The problem there, as with Patterson, is a personality or power struggle thing, not down to the players' ability. There is no possible way JOB is a better RB than Patterson nor is Armstrong or Rohl a better winger than Dibling. Fucking Moyes. Sorry, you can't always field the 11 you want but you have to adapt even if you'd rather not. How many points did we miss out on playing unbalanced lineups and leaving superior options on the bench? And why? Cause Moyes, for whatever reason, has it in for certain players. Clown. Loser. Disgrace.

33  Weston Schmidt
18/05/2026    17:46:18

Or McNeil, a walking (or perhaps hopping on his left foot only because he would rather do anything than use his right) liability whose xg is -1.

34  Neil Lawson
18/05/2026    18:26:20

The majority of us appear to recognise that we will not progress with Moyes in charge. Reading all the transfer gossip is always entertaining. The reality of course, is that no one of note will want to sign for a bang average team not playing in Europe and with a manager who is intransigent and horribly cautious. No young players of real potential will sign as they wont play. That leaves us with Soucek, Jiminez, sick note Stones, Vardy and Ashley Young ( out of retirement especially). Guaranteed to be battling for 13th place next year.

35  Dennis Stevens
18/05/2026    19:14:18

Next year Neil? I'm not even sure we'll finish as high as 13th this season.

Moyes has returned as a lesser version of the old Moyes - as if that wasn't bad enough.

I do wonder how happy TFG will be to have invested in a number of barely used players whilst Moyes takes us backwards from where Dyche had most of the players Moyes is selecting performing.

I couldn't wait for Moyes to leave last time & I can't wait for him to leave this time. He's a rather limited bottler.

36  Benjamin Dyke
18/05/2026    19:21:39

Moyes is capable of getting us in Europe regularly. I still believe that and am glad for what has been achieved this season despite the poor form at the end. I would be happy for him to have one or 2 more seasons as long as we are never in danger of relegation. It seems this perspective is not so popular right now but all this changing managers is a lottery. If we are able to spend and renew the squad in the summer, I think Moyes has earned the right to stay.

It's very easy to scapegoat the manager when we've just had a terrible run, but I agree with Kinnear's sentiment and think it's a sensible attitude after so many years of uncertainty and instability. I'm not writing this after the emotions of a poor performance and disappointment of missing out on Europe or finishing in the top ten so that's why it's conservative and sober - which doesn't mean it's wrong either!

37  Paul Conway
18/05/2026    22:32:42

Benjamin Dyke.
if we keep the same ordinary players and the same ordinary Manager, we can still avoid relegation.

We will just be Doing it in a Sate of the Art Stadium, where it costs more hard earned cash, than the last Stadium, by supporters, to watch the same ordinary Shite!

38  Mike Barrett
19/05/2026    15:23:25

Paul #37
Spot on mate I have a 500 mile round trip to get to a game fortunately I can stay with relatives. I saw 10 games this season and can honestly say that apart from Chelsea they've been pretty boring

As lyndon says we have hardly ever put in a 90 minute performance I was at the west ham,Leeds,wolves games and the Sunderland Cup tie mind numbing performances I'm not a season ticket holder so I paid 60 quid for the forever blue + membership just for the privilege of getting in the ballot!!

No doubt that'll cost more next season so with the cost of travel,tickets etc I'm seriously thinking of not bothering, the " football" and moyes' "tactics" don't fill me with enthusiasm


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